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The World vs Anatoly Karpov
"The World Is Not Enough" (game of the day Jan-05-2012)
Internet Match (1996) (exhibition), Aug-26
Caro-Kann Defense: Karpov Variation (B17)  ·  0-1



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Sep-17-10  The Rocket: "the world" played like crap...
Jan-05-12  Rob Lob Law: 15. dxc5 blah. There had to be something better there. Such a timid move with the white pieces. How about 15. g4
Jan-05-12  lost in space: <<Open Defence:> <jovack> it would be fair to say Karpov's chess abilities are "Out of this World> <<whiteshark:> <Open Defence> Does that mean you think Karpov is an alien ? :D>

No, I think <Open Defence> means that Karpov is lost in space.

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  Gilmoy: <lost in space: ... Karpov is lost in space.> Pale black dot!
Jan-05-12  fokers13: 19.Bc4?? was the losing move.
Rbd1 was necessary with small chances of drawing a bad finale after Bxf3 and the subsequent exchange of queens(judging by white's bad play that is objectively the position is closer to a draw than a win).
Jan-05-12  iroozdar: Hi Rob Lob Law!
i think 15.g4 is good
and plz tel me about 15.Be5
Jan-05-12  iroozdar: Hi fokers13!
19.Rbd1 is good, but why 19... BXf3 ?
i think after 19.Rbd1, black move: Qxa2
My idea:
19.Rbd1 Qxa2 20.g4 Bg6 21.Bxg6 hxg6 22.Qb5 b6 23.c4 Rac8 24.Qb4 Rxd1 Thanks
Jan-05-12  karnak64: Well, this isn't my world (or my father's Oldsmobile).

Just curious, opening B17 is here called the "Karpov variation"; I know he played it a lot, but I've also seen it named for Steinitz and Nimzovich. Any thoughts as to why this variation has no stable name?

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  AylerKupp: Given White's space advantage I think White went wrong as early as 6.Bd3, allowing the knight exchange and a slight relief in Black's position. The current Opening Explorer shows 6.Bd3 to be a relatively unpopular move, played only on 25 games out of 761 games that arrived at this position (slightly over 3%). And White's winning percentage is dismal, 20% compared with Black's 64%, with a vary small percentage of draws (16%). I would have tried 6.Ng3 or even 6.Nc3.
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  kevin86: The queen is trapped and mate is coming soon...
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  benveniste: Please Mister Please, don't play B17!
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  playground player: Someone around here must remember "The World is Not Enough" by Zoe Oldenbourg, a great novel of Medieval France.

Can anybody tell me what would be the point of having Rybka or any computer tell "the world" what moves to make against a GM?

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  Once: And there I was thinking that it was the James Bond film...

Or if you'd rather have the choon...

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  Penguincw: Karpov seemed to have done better than Kasparov. Karpov had black and only needed 32 moves. Kasparov had white and needed 61 moves. Maybe Karpov just played against a bunch of internet people.
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  AylerKupp: <playground player: Can anybody tell me what would be the point of having Rybka or any computer tell "the world" what moves to make against a GM?>

If you take a bunch of enthusiastic but very likely below master-strength players and average out their capabilities then their playing strength will very likely be much below any GM's. So unless the world team has some near-GM-level players on the team that are recognized as being strong and can advise the team on what moves to make, the world team would not have much of a chance against any GM. Probably not much fun for the world team to start a game almost guaranteed of certain defeat.

Enter Rybka or any other good computer engine. They are recognized to be strong and can provide good move advice. It is still up the to world team to decide whether to follow the various engines' move recommendations but at least they have an even chance when entering the tactical complications that a GM play.

Does that make some sense?

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  Domdaniel: Correspondence players, before the arrival of strong engines, played at a very high level. It is quite likely that a team of strong cc players, using web-era communications but not chess engines, would be a match for an OTB GM. This remains to be demonstrated, of course.
Jan-21-14  RookFile: It's a lame move, but 13. Be2 probably would have allowed white to steer this game towards a draw.
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  Domdaniel: I'm considering taking a second French newspaper ... Le Monde is insufficient.
Sep-13-14  SpiritedReposte: Nice rook walk at the end.
Sep-24-14  Ke2: 6. Bd3 is awful and goes to show how bad the World Team was. Simply Nxf6 or Ng3. This Bd3 allows Black already a comfortable extra tempo and pretty much equalizes.
Sep-24-14  Ke2: Remember, Kasparov played the insanely dangerous gamble 7... h6 here Deep Blue vs Kasparov, 1997 only for the purpose of gaining that tempo.
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  chesscat1963: Rob, 15. Qc2 looks better.
May-22-18  bobbyperezchess: 14.Qc2!? raises a question to black if he would play ...Bxf3, ...c5 or something other than these two options.

14...Bxf3?! is not so helpful for black because it opens the g-file for white, and because of that, an attack is possible for white.

14...c5 is better, and after 15.g4! Bg6 16.Bxg6 hxg6 17.Be5! Nd7 (17...cxd4 18.Bxd4 ⩲) 18.Rad1 cxd4 19.Rxd4 Nxe5 20.Nxe5 Rfd8! 21.Red1 Bf6 22.Nc4 Qc7 23.Rxd8 Rxd8 24.Rxd8 Qxd8 25.Ne3 is equal.

The immediate 14...Bg6! is the move I think that best equalizes, as after 15.Bxg6 hxg6 16.Ne5 (16.Be5 Nd5! 17.Nd2 Bf6! 18.Ne4 Rad8=) 16...Nd5! 17.Bg3/Bh2 (17.Nd7? Qd8! 18.Nxf8 Nxf4 19.Qe4 (19.g3? Nxh3+ 20.Kg2 Ng5! 21.f4? Qd5!)19...Qd6 20.Qe5 Qxe5 21.dxe5 Rxf8-with two pieces for the rook, black has a slight edge.)17... Qd8! and it seems to me that the position is equal.

So 14.Rb1? is just a waste of time instead of developing.

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