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Daniel Edelman vs Garry Kasparov
Kasparov Clock simul, 6b New York (1988) (exhibition), New York, NY USA, Feb-24
Sicilian Defense: Lasker-Pelikan. Sveshnikov Variation Chelyabinsk Variation (B33)  ·  1/2-1/2

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Feb-19-10  aragorn69: Have now finally had the opportunity to watch this (in)famous incident, and I'm apalled! Kasparov's conduct is so awful, arrogant and hypocritous that it's beyond any excuse.
Feb-19-10  micartouse: I'm convinced from watching it that was clearly part of Kasparov's strategy to get out of some black games and reduce his brutal workload. He had to know one of them was going to take the draw, but he wanted to make it look like he was the one who came to fight, thus the tough talk. So I feel he was absolutely acting - he benefitted much more than the Americans from this repetition, and he specifically chose the line for this purpose.

A tough simul for Kasparov by his own extremely high standards, even though he won.

Feb-19-10
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  Eric Schiller: <micartouse> You are so completely wrong. Kasparov was furious and said so publicly, calling Edelman out for chickening out when he had a chance to play a World Champion.

He predicted, accurately, that Edelman wouldn't have much of a chess career. Kasparov was fuming for days.

Feb-19-10  micartouse: <Eric Schiller> Well heck, if it meant that much to him ...

I believe you that he was fuming outwardly for days, but the problem is I also see the game and the video. This was clearly something he could have averted if he was going to lose sleep over it for a few days. Instead, he offered the same choice to two players. Doesn't add up ... he's the strongest opening theoetician in the history of chess.

Feb-23-10  aragorn69: Some chess "experts" and "writers" are so gullible and star-struck it's laughable...

Look at the <two> games he tried his strategy at, for Garry's sake! He clearly tried to trap them into playing inferior variations (or lessen his workload). And then he had the cheek to look offended. If he really was fuming, it must have been because his trick strategy merely earned him two draws!

Mar-12-10  KingG: I don't see how Kasparov was trying to trap them into playing inferior variations. Do people think that the ...Qa5+ line gives equality for Black? The fact is a supposedly 'promising' young player prefered to take a quick draw with White rather than play a full game against the world champion. Maybe Kasparov had never encountered that kind of attitude in the USSR, and didn't anticipate it. I doubt any of the young players Kasparov gave clock simuls to at the Botvinnik school ever thought about taking draws in such positions.

Ok, someone with more manners than Kasparov wouldn't have made a scene over it, but I'm sure they would have still have had the same thoughts. It's not like the game was in some rated competition, where it would obviously be totally understandable. I'm assuming this was supposed to be a learning experience for those players, as well as a test for him.

If Kasparov really wanted to lessen hs workload why would he make a fuss about it? He would simply smile, shake hands and move on.

Mar-12-10  micartouse: I don't know state of the art GM theory, but my personal opinion is that ...Be7 was a more than reasonable alternative to ...Qa5+. It is after all the main line, and Kasparov himself has played it against world class opposition, not just pimpled Americans.

In other words, I think the standard response to such a situation (assuming he wants to fight) is to play ...Qa5+ and then seeing the opponent is willing to draw, to switch to ...Be7 and scowl forbodingly at him or something.

I think it's okay for Kasparov to take the draw as well, but the evidence suggests it was planned and that he wanted to save face by acting angry. Or he was genuinely angry for no reason, since he most likely had better knowledge of ...Be7 lines than any player alive.

Mar-12-10  aragorn69: <micartouse> +1
Mar-12-10  vileblunder: Having watched the video, I don't think Kasparov was that rude to him. If you can't take that, you wouldn't have wanted to attend my school!

<He predicted, accurately, that Edelman wouldn't have much of a chess career.>

It's pretty laughable to cite this as some evidence that Edelman didn't 'have what it takes' to be a top GM, and Kasparov's prediction hardly shows any great insight.

There are probably about 100 people on the planet at any given time that can be considered top-class GMs. That is a hugely exclusive group of people. To imply that anyone can get into it if they work hard and have the right attitude, is rubbish. The guy probably didn't make it because either: (a) he wasn't good enough, (b) he got bored of playing chess.

Let me make a prediction, no-one who's registered on this website - apart from Nigel Short - will ever be ranked in the top 100 players in the world. I'm really sticking my neck out there!

Mar-12-10  whatthefat: <vileblunder: Having watched the video, I don't think Kasparov was that rude to him. If you can't take that, you wouldn't have wanted to attend my school!>

Regardless of whether you agree with Kasparov's opinion on the draw, his behavior would even be embarrassing coming from a teenager, let alone an adult role model.

Mar-12-10  aragorn69: <Having watched the video, I don't think Kasparov was that rude to him. If you can't take that, you wouldn't have wanted to attend my school!>

Well, the point is it was not a school tussle, but an exhibition game to showcase Garry's humongous playing strength. So, fuming loudly as he did - to the point of some other playing shushing him! - he didn't put up a great show of sportsmanship, did he? Talk about a role model...

Mar-12-10  aragorn69: playing = player
Mar-12-10  vileblunder: <Regardless of whether you agree with Kasparov's opinion on the draw, his behavior would even be embarrassing coming from a teenager, let alone an adult role model.>

<Well, the point is it was not a school tussle, but an exhibition game to showcase Garry's humongous playing strength. So, fuming loudly as he did - to the point of some other playing shushing him! - he didn't put up a great show of sportsmanship, did he? Talk about a role model...>

I completely agree that his behaviour was a little childish, but really I would have just realised I'd got under his skin and laughed it off. I'm not hugely convinced by the role model argument - are many young people likely to pick as a role model someone that has devoted their entire life to playing chess?

Mar-12-10
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  tamar: <Eyal: I like the way Rachels (in Kasparov vs Rachels, 1988) is shushing Kasparov, though, in the middle of his tirade...>

Kasparov seems sensibly appreciative that he is not following his own rules about no talking, and says "Sorry" but then repeats his complaint one more time before moving from the boards.

Rachels showed some moxie shushing the WC, but apart from himself and Wolff, the episode seemed to intimidate the other players, whose body language and eye movement started to look more fearful.

Rau and Ilya Gurevich in particular seem to shrink back, as if Kasparov was the Soup Nazi, and could go off on them too.

Mar-13-10  whatthefat: <vileblunder: are many young people likely to pick as a role model someone that has devoted their entire life to playing chess?>

I would say yes. Plenty of children choose as a role model someone who has devoted their entire life to a single craft, oftentimes sport. And of the people in the same room at the time of his outburst, I would say very many respected him and even idolized him, including his opponents. After all, the event was made into a film.

Mar-14-10  KingG: Kasparov may not be a role model in terms of being well-mannered, but I think he is one in pure chess terms. Who could be a better role model for a chess player than Kasparov? His work ethic alone is something anyone could learn from. And in general, when Kasparov talks about chess, it's worth listening to.

In this situation he was making a point about what kind of attitude he thinks a young chess player should have if he wants to have any real future in the game. The fact that he lost his temper shows how strongly he felt about this.

Sep-13-11
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  perfidious: To read Schiller's comments on this brevity made for a laugh, given his willingness to take a rest day against Kasparov's opponent in the following epic encounter: E Schiller vs D Edelman, 1988.

As to what Schiller quotes above about Edelman not having 'much of a career', he went on to other things and became a clearly stronger player, in his shorter career, than the person relating the tale.

Period. End of story.

Sep-14-11
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  Eric Schiller: It was a team competition. I did what I was supposed to do to win the team match.
Oct-02-11
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  Everett: My take is that Kasparov played into that position with hopes of avoiding any special lines of his opponents. He gambled that they would play on, and his gamble didn't work vs Edelman.

There is no way he was acting. I am not sure he is even able to. Kasparov is a great chess player, but he was playing games and jerking these players around with this line. I'm glad it backfired.

Oct-05-11  RMKvdS: The links in the kibitzing are dead, luckily I found (the same?) videos for the New York 1988 simultaneous.

Part 1:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mUwr...

Part 2:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VRmp...

Part 3:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_RWq...

Oct-05-11  Trouble: <Eric Schiller> Why was Kasparov fuming for days? Anyone below the 2600 level is at best a chess scrub in Kasparov's world. It's hard to imagine why he'd become so preoccupied with someone who held such little importance to him. Your thoughts? Maybe he just wanted to stick the needle in. Without any further information though, I'm more inclined to agree with micartouse's rationale, because getting a quick draw with black in a clock simul no doubt improved his chances of winning the match.
Nov-25-12  BobbyDigital80: Why would someone want to take an early draw against the World Champion? It's the chance of a lifetime and he'd rather chicken out and waste that opportunity by agreeing to a draw in 10 moves? Who cares if it lowers your team's chance of winning the simul. Chess is a ONE ON ONE game! I'd rather lose to the World Champion while trying my best than take an early draw. There's no satisfaction in that.
Nov-08-15  zanzibar: Well, the links have moved again. Just go to youtube and search for

<kasparov new york simul 1988>

and you should find parts 1-3. The players are introduced in part 1, and the moment of interest is in part 2, I'd suggest at 2:19 to get the setup.

Somehow, I'm reminded of this statement:

<To you it's just poker,

but to me, it's my life!>

Nov-08-15  NeverAgain: The video in question is http://youtu.be/qtrUtqHQOWM?t=2m19s

Having watched the part starting with 2:19 I don't see what the fuss is about. Kasparov neither looked nor acted furious, his reaction was rather mild. It was an awkward situation, but not even close to a tantrum.

Nov-08-15  RookFile: No sense getting upset over something like this. It reminds me of a comment Wayne Gretzky made. A parent came to him and asked him to say some motivational words to get little Johnny to practice more. Gretzky's comment was that when he was a kid, nobody ever had to coax him into hockey practice. You either have the motivation or you don't. It makes no sense to beat somebody up over something that God has left out of their nature.
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