| Oct-22-05 | | BobbyBishop: I was very surprised when I had read that, according to Short ...10. Qa5 had never been played in a GM game before. Doesn't it seem like the most natural move in the world..to add further pressure to the c3 Knight? It also prevents the "free of charge" Bb5+. Even Kasparov said this new move surprised him and that he'd be working on it for future games. Is it possible that this move was never even touched upon during his analysis? Kaspy was evidently disoriented as he used 1 hour 29 mintues to Short's 11 minutes(!) for the entire game. |
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| Nov-10-05 | | Crackov Bonestein: Interesting indeed. It seems like the kind of move that an amatuer would play without hesitation. I checked the database and indeed it was not seen before 1993 and has only made an appearance in 14 other games since (one of those being Short having another try at it in round 9 and losing in 51 moves). |
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| Nov-10-05 | | WMD: If memory serves, Smyslov had played it once in the 1950s in an obscure tournament in Rostov-on-Don. |
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| Nov-12-05 | | BobbyBishop: Perhaps WMD but not with that particular move order. That positon after Short's Qa5 is not anywhere in the database. |
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| Nov-13-05 | | WMD: It's naive in the extreme to think that commercial databases contain all serious tournament games. However, as it happens, my memory was at fault here. Smyslov's move was not 10...Qa5 in this game, but 11...Qa5 from Game 13: Kasparov vs Short, 1993. |
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| Nov-13-05 | | Calli: Its not exactly the same, but Spassky vs Fischer, 1992 is very similar, so I don't think the idea was new. Glek vs Juferov, 1989 is even an earlier game. |
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| Nov-15-05 | | BobbyBishop: Well WMD, if you go and find it somewhere, I'll give you a cookie. |
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| May-26-12 | | wordfunph: <BobbyBishop: Kaspy was evidently disoriented as he used 1 hour 29 mintues to Short's 11 minutes(!) for the entire game.> and Kasparov was quoted after the game..
"I have now played five games while Nigel has played four." |
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| May-26-12 | | Shams: <"I have now played five games while Nigel has played four."> Of course, Garry was +3 by this point of the match already. |
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Nov-27-15
 | | Sally Simpson: 10...Qa5 is discussed in Dominic Lawson's 'The Inner Game'. Apparently Korchnoi was sitting next to Stean in the gallery and when 10...Qa5 appeared on the demo board Korchnoi told Stean he had looked at this as Black and it loses. Korchnoi then supplied the critical line. Later that night Stean told Short supplying the Korchnoi analysis. Nigel agreed later adding he was delighted because when Kapsarov discovers it he will be furious with himself and think I've bluffed him. |
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| Nov-27-15 | | Howard: Yes, I recall reading that story in Inner Game. But was Korchnoi right when he "whispered" (as the book stated) to Stean why the move lost ? I've yet to read why it should have "lost". |
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| Nov-27-15 | | Retireborn: Story doesn't make much sense as this was game 5 and Nigel repeated 10...Qa5 in game 9. No doubt the 11.Nge2 Kasparov played there is strong - and one can see that the black king lacks a hiding place - but it seems unlikely that Black is already lost, and Informator has Short playing 10...Qa5 again in 1995 and 2003! Perhaps Korchnoi made this remark about some other move in the game. |
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| Nov-27-15 | | Retireborn: And looking at Informator again, I see that Korchnoi actually played 10...Qa5 himself v Alterman at Groningen 1993, which was presumably after the London match. The game was drawn. |
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Nov-27-15
 | | perfidious: <Retireborn> Quite right: the Groningen PCA event was held in December. http://www.365chess.com/tournaments... |
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| Nov-27-15 | | Retireborn: <perfidious> Yes, Groningen was traditionally played in December then, and still is, I believe. I haven't read Lawson's book, but I know from his posts elsewhere that Geoff is a fan....think one or both of them has misunderstood something here though :) |
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Nov-28-15
| | Sally Simpson: Hi Guys,
Page 131 of the Lawson book.
"When Nigel uncorked his novelty, Korchnoi took a puff of his cigarette and said, in his emphatic Russian-accented English: "I've looked at this. Unfortunately it loses."
Korchnoi then whispers a forcing variation to Stean who believed it. This was the line Stean showed to Nigel after the game. Maybe Korchnoi found an improvement and decided to try it in December. Who knows? |
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Nov-28-15
 | | MissScarlett: You're old enough and ugly enough not to trust anything in books. At the very best, some of it might be true-ish. |
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| Nov-28-15 | | Retireborn: Thanks, Geoff. I can well believe that Korchnoi did make such a remark, but his "forcing variation" evidently wasn't all that forced, in the end. |
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Nov-28-15
| | Sally Simpson: Hi MissScarlett,
I would have been sceptical at first but as I read on it seemed true. There are too many others involved. Michael Stean and Nigel Short looked at the line Korchnoi told Stean about. Either of these two (and even Korh himself) could de-bunk it. I think artistic license allows you to interpret the facts in any manner you want... "Korchnoi took a puff of his cigarette and said, in his emphatic Russian-accented English.." ...but not to make things up.
On the whole a good book I thought. Very revealing. Although if I had been the subject matter I may have asked jokingly: "I thought you were my friend."
I of course have an autographed copy (insert smug smiley here.) |
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