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Judit Polgar vs Garry Kasparov
"J'adoube!" (game of the day Dec-09-2014)
Linares (1994), Linares ESP, rd 5, Mar-01
Sicilian Defense: Najdorf. Amsterdam Variation (B93)  ·  0-1

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Aug-04-11  koleos: KamikazeAttak, I agree with you completely. Taking back a move as a World champion and at the same time against a lady is a fact that speak itself of kasparov as a person.
Sep-07-11
Premium Chessgames Member
  kingscrusher: I have video annotated this "Touch move controversy" game here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=inDw...

Sep-20-12  Everett: It doesn't matter if it was as lady. It is simply wrong, and he should have been called on it. I wonder if he felt any shame regarding his behavior in this one.
Feb-19-13  duplex: Judith against Garry in their prime..
Garry would win 9 out of 10 games easily..Come on there is no comparison here..
Feb-19-13
Premium Chessgames Member
  perfidious: The bold talk from the loser of this game in the post cited by <KingG> does not change the truth: she was a borderline top ten player at her zenith and, as such, could not touch Kasparov.
Feb-19-13
Premium Chessgames Member
  HeMateMe: Magnus Carlsen tried this against former world champion Kosteniuk at a blitz tournament, maybe the Aeroflot of 2-3 years ago. He grabbed the wrong piece in their blitz game, immediately leading to a lost piece. after grabbing the wrong piece, he quickly grabbed the right one (there were two rooks, on adjacent squares), but A.K. said "UH-UH!" and pointed at the position. This is on utube. Carlsen immediately resigned and walks out. Very immature, on his part.
Apr-18-13  Zugzwangovich: Could Kasparov have held on to the Knight for any length of time after he had noted that moving it to c5 loses the exchange? I know a beginner who in skittles games will pick up a piece, put it on a square and hold it there for up to a minute or so while assessing the move's consequences, then either leave it there or move it somewhere else. This seems unconstitutional to me but maybe there's no rule against it?
Apr-26-14
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  piltdown man: Cheatin' dog. Almost as bad as Schumacher.
Dec-09-14  Oceanlake: Boo, Hiss Kasparov. It's like cheating at cards.
Dec-09-14  RookFile: Well, whatever Carlsen did, he resigned. That's more than Kasparov did here.
Dec-09-14  Abdel Irada: <solskytz: it has been clinically proved that the presence of beautiful women makes men perform better.>

Quite the contrary:

— "Why interacting with a woman can leave men cognitively impaired": http://www.scientificamerican.com/a...

— "Men lose their minds speaking to pretty women": http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/h...

— "Hot women make men dumb and dumber": http://www.scienceofrelationships.c...

And my favorite:

— "Just thinking women are nearby makes men dumber": http://gizmodo.com/5892856/just-thi....

That's right, gents: Such is the power of beautiful women that they don't even have to *be* there to mess up our thinking.

Dec-09-14  Abdel Irada: Now, granted, there are other meanings of "perform".... :-D

Dec-09-14
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  HeMateMe: <Well, whatever Carlsen did, he resigned. That's more than Kasparov did here.>

It was only after AK said No! and pointed at the position that Carlsen resigned. He was willing to keep playing, even though he broken the rules, until his hand was forced.

Dec-09-14  FairyPromotion: < HeMateMe: <Well, whatever Carlsen did, he resigned. That's more than Kasparov did here.>

It was only after AK said No! and pointed at the position that Carlsen resigned. He was willing to keep playing, even though he broken the rules, until his hand was forced. >

Not really. There was no verbal communication as you claim, and Carlsen's resignation was him not resuming the play. Kosteniuk didn't ask Carlsen to take back his move. She stopped the clock, immediately claiming the victory. That would have mean't resignation, had Carlsen wanted to play on.

Carlsen was obviously pissed, and stormed off the board, but at least he immediately accepted his mistake, and didn't try to mask it any further.

Sure a handshake would have been the right act by him, but his act was nowhere near as bad as some try to make it out to be.

Dec-09-14  sfm: <HeMateMe: ... Carlsen immediately resigned and walks out. Very immature, on his part> If so, then 90% of all dedicated sports people are 'immature' and so am I. It is OK, every now and then, take some steps away in anger and frustration over events - and return with a smile when calmed down. That is not losing temper, it is managing it.
Dec-09-14
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  Once: It's a funny thing. We applaud winners in any discipline. And yet the drive to be a winner sometimes means crossing over the line of what we would consider acceptable.

Kasparov's touch move. Lance Armstrong's drugs. Michael Schumacher colliding with Damon Hill in 1994.

Most of us wouldn't do these things. But few of us compete at their stellar level. We can't begin to understand their determination to win.

Maybe we have to accept that the peculiar personality needed to be a winner sometimes pushes people to do things that the rest of us would not?

Mind you, I had something similar done to me in a club game a few days ago. My opponent was in deep time trouble in a losing position.

I had lots of time left. I played one move and went to press the clock. He made his next move before my hand got to the clock. In effect, he got a move for free with no time elapsing on his clock. As he played it he said "you've got to be faster than that".

He later tried to claim, with no time left on his clock that he had a drawn fortress position (I had queen and pawn to his knight and rook).

And all for a meaningless club game. Deeply silly. Understandable, I suppose, but deeply silly all the same.

Dec-09-14
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  morfishine: All in all, a great game. With Polgar and Kasparov playing "both sides of the board" a tense but balanced position was arrived at following 24...Be7

White's Knights are serving an important purpose covering a5/b5/c5/d5/e4 while at the same time, shielding the backward Q-side pawns. The trade-off is White is unable to mount an effective K-side attack without the Knights. Its here that White "blinks first" with <25.Nd2>? allowing the Black Queen to penetrate and occupy <b4> via <c5>

Its this persistent lateral pressure on the 4th rank that gives Black a comfortable initiative and a firm handle on the resulting tactics. A pity the game was marred by controversy

*****

Dec-09-14
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  HeMateMe: <Not really. There was no verbal communication as you claim>

the video is on utube. Watch it slowly. After Carlsen grabs the incorrect Rook, he takes his hand off of it, then grabs the other Rook, the normal move that the position calls for.

Too late--Watch kosteniuk's mouth open and her sharp finger pointed at the board, probably saying "UH UH!" Upon seeing that he won't be allowed to cheat, Carlsen immediately leaves.

That's how it looked ot me. Even if she didn't say anything it was clear that she would have to be DEMONSTRATIVE to make him obey the rules.

It's just a blitz game anyway. It's not as though they were sitting on Putin's lap playing game 24 for the title.

Dec-09-14
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  tamar: You have to use the term "cheat" loosely if you include blitz games.

Almost every contested game contains someone knocking over their own or opponent's pieces trying to make a move speedily. It is normal then for the opponent to restart the mover's clock, but often the mover just replaces the pieces hastily on the opponent's time, which is cheating also.

Grabbing the wrong piece and putting it down in blitz is more serious, but it is also common to graze other pieces when lurching for the piece you want, so players like Carlsen become less sensitized, which I think is what happened in the Kosteniuk case. The brain gets confused for a moment.

To call it attempted cheating, I think you have to have a pattern established throughout that competition.

Dec-09-14
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  HeMateMe: It wasn't "grazing." He grabbed the wrong piece fully, in hand, then instantly new it would cost him the game, let go of it, and grabbed a different piece.

Live with it. MC doesn't walk on water.

Dec-09-14
Premium Chessgames Member
  tamar: Live with what? You're saying he tried to cheat?

Korchnoi did the same thing in a classical game against Rukavina in the 1973 Leningrad Interzonal. He picked up a piece, noticed he was blundering, and pick up another piece. Rukavina claimed the game, and Korchnoi did not know what he had done for many seconds.

He got up and walked around the city all evening trying to calm down.

It is just confusion of the brain when it notices it is about to blunder, and no one blamed Korchnoi or put it down to more than the stress of a big game.

My comment about grazing other pieces was not about that particular move. But the more relaxed attitude in blitz to touch move rules played a role in Carlsen's confusion I believe.

It took him probably a second to realize what he had done, and since she claimed the game, he left.

Dec-09-14
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  kevin86: A strange game...in the interest of fairness, Kasparov should have accepted a forfeit.
Dec-09-14  kamagong24: what i can recall about this tournament was that, even though kaspy won the tournament, his game deteriorated the following games after this controversial game, though from what i've read, they said that camera replay did show kaspy did made a touch move violation and because judit was on time trouble she was not able to contest it immediately

as for magnus, i would love to actually see for myself if its on youtube, if i were magnus i wouldnt do that to kosteniuk! i would resign gracefully and just tell her, id mate you next time :p

Dec-09-14
Premium Chessgames Member
  Once: <kamagong24: as for magnus, i would love to actually see for myself>

Here it is...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wey...

How should we compare Kasparov's j'adoube and Carlsen's?

Interestingly, both were playing against women. Both tried (initially) to play on. Kasparov was able to continue without Judit complaining. Alexandra pointed it out straight away, at which point Magnus resigned by walking away.

Both were a little bit naughty. What we don't know is what would have happened if Judit had complained. For all we know Garry might have done exactly what Magnus did and resigned in a huff. Or in a taxi and a huff.

And we don't know what would have happened if Alexandra hadn't pointed it out. Magnus might have played on just as Garry did.

For my money, there are huge similarities between both incidents. But we can't call one naughtier than the other because Judit didn't object and Alexandra did. But apart from that, they are so similar that it doesn't make much difference.

Dec-09-14
Premium Chessgames Member
  HeMateMe: <Live with what? You're saying he tried to cheat? >

No, he DID cheat. And, he got caught. End of story.

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