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Ljubomir Ljubojevic vs Garry Kasparov
Moscow Olympiad (1994), Moscow RUS, rd 4, Dec-04
Sicilian Defense: Alapin Variation. Barmen Defense Modern Line (B22)  ·  1/2-1/2



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Dec-27-04  aw1988: Playing 2...Nf6 might avoid the "french".
Dec-27-04  SnipingBishop: Maybe... although if White feels like it, he can give the Black knight a nudge with 3 e5. Then the poor beast may be kicked around a little in the centre. lol, there should be a rule that states that when White faces Sicilian, he/she is not allowed to chicken out. If White wants to play e4 in the first place, then he/she have to have some backbone and face the Dragon/Najdorf/etc head on ;) jk
Dec-27-04  aw1988: Actually, the knight will feel quite safe. 2...Nf6 is an idea from the Alekhine defense.
Dec-27-04  SnipingBishop: I know 2...Nf6 is the core of the Alekhine defense but i will be playing that instead of the Sicilian if i love knight tours:) However, like you said, the knight is quite safe and it is at least better than getting a cramped kingside of the French Defense.
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  Everett: Where do you see this turn into a French? I see a light-squared bishop out of the pawn chain, a white IQP, and no opposing pawns kissing each other out of the opening.
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  Everett: Further, white got nothing out of the opening, so if this is a "model" Sicilian Alapin, one must be speaking about the happily drawing black side.
Dec-28-04  aw1988: I mean to say it was played perfectly.
Dec-28-04  aw1988: It also has some typical ideas.
Dec-28-04  SnipingBishop: lol, i dont think i explained myself clearly. the Alapin turning into French has nothing to do with this game. It happens in some of MY online games where White waltzes in with pawn on e5 on move three and then 4 d4...voila, the French Advanced Variation is created. I was just talking about it because this happen to be an Alapin :P
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  Everett: My mistake, then. What do you to think about the delayed Alapin against the Najdorf? 1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 d6 3.c3. Doesn't this stop the d5 stuff?
Dec-28-04  SnipingBishop: When White goes 2. Nf3:
1. e4 c5
2. Nf3 d6
3. c3 Nf6
Then if 4. Bd3, then there wasn't much point of doing c3. Therefore,
4. Qc2
and Black can play
5. d4 Bxf3
6. gxf3
White's pawn structure isnt that great so Black basically equalized.

That's why White does 2. c3 instead:
1. e4 c5
2. c3
If Black continues 2...d6 then White can play 3. d4 when after the exchange of pawns, White will get the "perfect" centre while without any structural defects.

Therefore Black often continues with 2...d5 and offer to trade the central pawns. This is what happens here in this game.

However like i said in my previous post White doesnt have to do what Black wants and instead opts for 3. e5 and follow up with 4. d4 to get one of the French mainlines :(

IMHO this is why if White wants to get c3 in, he should do it on move two. Your line of delaying it should not be a problem and Black will not fear being steered into the French Defence.

However, (lol i dont know if this is a good idea) Black can be stubborn too and play 3...d4 when White wont be able to create the pawn chain of the Advanced French Variation. The downside is that after 4. cxd4 cxd4
Black will have to keep a close eye on his d4 pawn otherwise it may suddenly drop off! Whats ur opionion?

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  Everett: <SnipingBishop>

1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 d6 3.c3 Nf6 Be2 is the move to look at. No need to protect e4 due to the Q fork. Kasim and Adams have played this way with success

Of course, white can't force any French type position from here...

Dec-29-04  SnipingBishop: *sigh* i wonder sometimes y i am playing chess...maybe ill throw away the pieces and play checkers. But of course you are correct. i was careless...oh NO, the delete message button is not there anymore! Now everyone will c my stupidness :)
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  Everett: Stupid? You? No, no, we all have our preferences, and 2.c3 makes sense, more sense, to some, including the best.
Dec-29-04  artemis: GM Dorian Rogozenko, an expert on the anti-sicilians says that the alapin variation is a very easy one to learn, but it is "like a drug." There are some lines that where white has few resources to fight for an advantage. The alapin players will rarely change, according to him, since they have become so accustomed to their easy line. As black, you should not worry about the Alapin. Play Nf6, and then eventually white will have to guard e4. You will probably draw, and there are very few traps to watch out for. As white, if you are happy to waste your advantage with a draw, by all means play it. If not, you should really consider open sicilians, Bb5 anti-sicilians, or queen pawn openers. If you don't want to learn the vast amount of theory behind the najdorf, you can play 1. e4 c5 2. Nc3 d6 3. f4 transposing to the grandprix attack. against e6 or Nc6, then 3. Nf3 and 4. d4 transposes to the quieter open sicilians where white has their best chances. If you do this, you pass up the wonderful positions in the najdorf.
Dec-29-04  acirce: I play the Alapin exclusively against the Sicilian and have fared pretty well with it, but as you say, it's very hard to get much of a real advantage out of it. Especially recently I have had to be content with a draw much too often. The only reason I play it is that when I returned to the chess world a couple of years ago and had to put together an opening repertoire I just wanted to avoid the masses of theory in the Open Sicilian. Now I have started looking at that in a serious way though and I expect my results to improve.

This is my latest game - it was played under the worst possible circumstances (very little sleep the night before, disturbing sounds during the game, last-round lack of motivation etc) so I was actually happy with a draw even against my lower rated opponent. I had almost expected being crushed after making some serious blunder, but after looking at it I don't think the play was THAT disastrous after all.

1.e4 c5 2.c3 Nf6 3.e5 Nd5 4.d4 cxd4 5.Nf3 e6 6.cxd4 b6 7.Nc3 Nxc3 8.bxc3 Qc7 9.Bd2 Bb7 10.Bd3 d6 11.O-O Nd7 12.Re1 Be7 13.Bf4?! (13.Bg5!?) O-O 14.Re3 Bxf3 15.Rxf3 (15.Qxf3!?) g6 (15..dxe5!?) 16.exd6 (16.Qe2!?) Bxd6 17.Bxd6 Qxd6 18.Qd2 e5 19.Bc4?! Rad8?! 20.Qg5?! Rc8 21.Bb3 exd4 22.cxd4 (22.Rd1!?) Qxd4 23.Rd1 Qe5 24.Rxf7 Rxf7 25.Bxf7+ Kxf7 26.Rxd7+ Kg8 27.h4 Qxg5 28.hxg5 a5 29.Rb7 Rc2 1/2-1/2

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  Chessical: <Acirce> I think you are rather hard on yourself in your annotations (it seems a well played game to me)!

For instance, I cannot see why <13.Bf4> should be dubious. <13.Bg5> indeed seems the more dangerous/wild choice:

<13.Bg5> Bxg5 14.Nxg5 dxe5 15.Qh5 Nf6 and now <16.Nxe6> (otherwise Rg8 will follow)does not seem to work after <16...Qc6!> 17.Nxg7+ Kf8 18.Ne6+ Ke7 19.Qh3 fxe6 20.dxe5 Nd5 with a N for two pawns and I think the better prospects against White's K-side.

Dec-29-04  acirce: Thanks for your comment. I only annotated it very lightly here. I analyzed 13.Bg5 for a while before and reached the conclusion that it was good for White, although it may well be wrong and doesn't in itself make Bf4 dubious -- after 13.Bg5 Bxg5 14.Nxg5 dxe5 I might prefer 15.dxe5

Although it's true that I wasn't in the mood for any kind of complications and you're probably right that it's harsh to give Bf4 a ?!. So remove that if you want. :-)

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Dec-29-04  ughaibu: Morostyle: try Steinitz and Sultan Khan.
Dec-29-04  maoam: <morostyle>

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Dec-29-04  Hidden Skillz: morostyle..check this game out too then..Duras vs Reti, 1912
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