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Tal Shaked vs Garry Kasparov
"...and Stirred" (game of the day Jun-05-2011)
Tilburg Fontys (1997), Tilburg NED, rd 3, Sep-29
Gruenfeld Defense: Exchange Variation (D85)  ·  0-1

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Jun-05-11  ossipossi: I didn't know chessplayers had to be nice persons... They are usually awful! <:)>
Jun-05-11  Ratt Boy: Deep Blue never said one mean thing about anybody. Butt I was still rooting for Kasparov against it.

I firmly believe that Bobby, in his prime, would never have lost to Blue.

Jun-05-11
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  johnlspouge: < <shach matov> wrote: Apparently white [snip] decided that it was a good plan to play h4 while his king was in the middle...and against GK. Not a good idea even for the real Tal. >

The plan looked bold to me, too, but at 16 plies Toga 1.3beta supports 15.h4 as best, with a value of -0.16 P.

Jun-05-11
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  playground player: They laughed when I sat down to play with Kasparov. They laughed when I got up, too.
Jun-05-11  Llawdogg: There is no excuse for not being a gentleman. Morphy was even more dominant over his peers than GK. But he wasn't rude about it. It's not a sign of greatness to belittle others. It's actually an indication of insecurity and immaturity. Grow up, Garry.
Jun-05-11  Oceanlake: I've been wondering where White went wrong. Some ideas:

Don't allow the Gruenfeld, especially the exchange variation, unless you're very good at king-side attacks.

Avoid moving a piece three times in an opening.

Particularly when you next move a pawn you could have moved earlier.

Jun-05-11  SuperPatzer77: Garry Kasparov had made mean-spirited comments about this game that time but today he must have been the changed man. Just the past is the past. That's why he had to retire from playing chess.

Of course, he is one of my favorite players. He is, also, the greatest player ever (period).

SuperPatzer77

Jun-05-11  WhiteRook48: Morphy was a graceful winner, though
Jun-05-11  Oceanlake: "Greatest" is partly a matter of how one defines it. Lasker was among the very best for a long time.
Jun-05-11
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  FSR: Phony Benoni's "Shaked, Rattled and Rolled" is better than the official pun.
Jun-05-11
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  eternaloptimist: <<<FSR>>> I agree w/ u that Phony Benoni's pun is better than the pun listed w/ the game. (no offense to the author of that pun)
Jun-06-11
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  eternaloptimist: This is definitely not a typical Shaked game. He had a lot of talent & potential as a kid & won U. S. National Championships & the U20 World Championship as well. @ the same time he was having success as a kid, i remember that there was another kid named John Viloria (who "only" made it to FM b/c he stopped playing) that was the other top U. S. junior @ the time. He also won the U10 World Championship in 1987 & 1988 http://www.nytimes.com/1987/09/18/a...  & got 2nd place (behind Avrukh in the U12 World Championship). Viloria has pretty much been forgotten by the chess world (except 4 the 40somethings like me or older), whereas Shaked is remembered by a much larger %age of the chess world. In fact cg doesn't have any of his games in their database! Unfortunately Shaked stopped playing in chess tourneys...probably b/c he figured he could make a lot more $ after getting a degree. Now he's a software engineer 4 google. He's definitely a great example of a successful person. *link to past (& present in the case of [now an IM - then he wasn't] Zierk! w/ his amazing performance in last year's U18 juniors) American World Junior Champions.: http://gambit.blogs.nytimes.com/tag... *game as a tribute to Viloria.: http://www.365chess.com/game.php?gi...
Jun-06-11
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  Phony Benoni: <eternaloptimist: This is definitely not a typical Shaked game.>

It was not easy to play one of your typical games against Kasparov. I think about the only player capable of it on a consistent basis was NN.

Jun-06-11
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  eternaloptimist: <Phony Benoni: <eternaloptimist: This is definitely not a typical Shaked game.> It was not easy to play one of your typical games against Kasparov. I think about the only player capable of it on a consistent basis was NN.> lol
Jun-06-11
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  FSR: <Phony Benoni> I'm sure Shaked wishes "NN" could be substituted for "Shaked" in the databases. Imagine being a GM and having your best-known game be one where you blundered away your queen to a one-mover. I can't think of anyone else like that. Kieseritzky is probably the player most famous for his losses, but at least he lost with panache.
Jun-06-11
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  kevin86: The white quess is all dressed up and has no place to go. (TRAPPED)
Mar-09-13  Caissanist: <FSR>: I don't think there are any Kramnik games that are better known than Deep Fritz vs Kramnik, 2006 .
Mar-09-13
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  FSR: <Caissanist> Hmm, interesting point. You could be right. But at least in Kramnik's case it's not the first thing you think of. If you asked 100 chessplayers (especially non-Americans) who Tal Shaked is, I'll bet a large proportion of them would say, "that fishy GM who Kasparov crushed." In Kramnik's case, almost everyone would say one or more of: "the former world champion," "the guy who beat Kasparov," "one of the world's strongest players."
Mar-18-13  Caissanist: <FSR> Yes, of course, I am reminded of something I find myself telling my children at times: <you should have listened to what I meant, not what I said!>. If we change the wording a bit to "Imagine being a GM who is best known for a gruesome blunder he committed", then I believe you're right.
Mar-18-13
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  perfidious: Fiasco though this game was, the Shaked game I remember best-probably because I witnessed its sudden denouement-is Shaked vs Kaidanov, 1993.
Sep-18-13  Kanatahodets: <Llawdogg: There is no excuse for not being a gentleman. Morphy was even more dominant over his peers than GK. But he wasn't rude about it. It's not a sign of greatness to belittle others. It's actually an indication of insecurity and immaturity. Grow up, Garry.> Thumbs up. He is not a bad guy, just impulsive.
Sep-18-13  savagerules: "I used a nuke to kill a bug." And apparently the bug was a GM by this time but it looks like Shaked fled chess a couple years later. Gary's brutal one-liner may have fortuitously led to a happier life for Shaked outside of chess.
Jan-15-14  toreohm: <hedgeh0g: In the spirit of Tal, White sacrifices his queen.> LOL!
May-31-14  john barleycorn: <savagerules: "I used a nuke to kill a bug.">

Why did he say this? Kasparov unpacked his preparation which was meant for Karpov without being forced to do so. Another unthoughtful almost childish comment by Kasparov.

May-31-14
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  perfidious: <FSR: Phony Benoni's "Shaked, Rattled and Rolled" is better than the official pun.>

Sure is.

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