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|Jun-28-04|| ||runofthemill: Keene errs with 22...g6 and Hecht makes quick work of him with a series of stunning blows 23.Nd7! 25.Rd5! 26.Qh5! |
|Mar-27-05|| ||ray keene: i believe blacks play was fine-i had to play 25..ne8 when black wins-the rook at d5 being attacked and immobile-this from memory 39 years ago, so someone with fritz might like to check it out |
|Mar-27-05|| ||vonKrolock: <ray> I know this Game whith very detailed analyisis from a Reclam book that i'm not sure i can find again immediatelly. The software Chessmaster 9000 agree that Black was winning whith the best move 25...Ne8 |
|Mar-27-05|| ||sneaky pete: Schachmeisterpartien 1966-1970 by Rudolf Teschner. Teschner gives 25... Ne8 26.Bc3 Ng7 27.Qg4 Be7 28.Qd4! .. as best play (28... f6 29.Bxg6 exd5 30.Qh4 ..). |
|Mar-27-05|| ||sneaky pete: After studying the critical position with board and pieces, I must confess I don't see the win Teschner (probably at Hecht's instigation), suggests. 25... Ne8 seems , at least the recommended 26.Bc3 .. is refuted by 26... exd5 27.Qh5 Nf6 28.Bxf6 Bxf2+ etc. |
|Mar-27-05|| ||vonKrolock: thank You <sneaky pete> - this was that book :-) |
|Feb-20-09|| ||Stanley Yee: Hi Ray. I have a few of your books and an amazed to find the legend on this site! According to game notes handed to me by GM Hecht 25...Ne8!! 26Bc3 Ng7 27Qg4 f5 28Qh4 Nh5 , and Mr Fritz gives 25...Ne8!! 26Be5 Nf6! 27Bxf6 exd5 28Qf3 Rfe8 29Be5 Qd7 30Qf6 Rxe5 Please see http://www.hpchessclub.org.nz/event...|
|Mar-20-09|| ||ray keene: i believe this was the only game i ever lost with the caro kann-i hope in due course to get all my caro games up on this site-many are up already|
for an opening with a drawish reputation i have found that all the various lines did well for me
wins included games against
pn lee (one time british champion)
tal (former world champ)
patterson (former irish champion)
carleton ( corr im)
n littlewood (british ch runner up)
stimpson ( 17 wins)
hartston im( twice i think)
e schmid (not the gm lothar schmid)
p n lee
maninang im ( i think)
and a portuguese player whose name i dont -at the moment-recall from lisbon
i also had a win v friedman at chicago last round 1985 but i have mislaid the game score-if anyone can track it down i wd be very grateful-does anyone know a chicago player or organiser who might know?-even dr schiller cant seem to find the moves and he organised the event!!
and then there's the loss to hecht--i think the caro has done very well for me over the years-if i had been alert i might even have won that one as well! so 42 games with the caro kann against a reasonably strong spread of opposition over a 25 year period -and just one loss-thank you ck!!
|Mar-21-09|| ||ray keene: while searching through my archives today i found one more win with the caro kann v louis bauer-but also-annoyingly a loss i had utterly forgotten against the trinity cambridge mathematician dr nigel kalton. in due course i shall also be sending in these games to complete the database.|
|Mar-21-09|| ||ray keene: correction-that shd of course have read
-professor nigel kalton-
|Jan-29-10|| ||whiteshark: <19.g4> with <20.g5> is a 'bayonet-like', objectively unsuccessful, attempt to open the kingside. It should have ended the other way round.|
|Sep-30-10|| ||sevenseaman: A pretty pouter. ...26. gxQ uncovers h7 for mate by the bishop.|
|Sep-30-10|| ||whiteshark: Here's the list of Ray's Caro-Kann games: http://www.chessgames.com/perl/ches...|
|Jun-29-12|| ||Mudphudder: Brilliant.|
|Jan-29-13|| ||vinidivici: Wow BRILLIANT game.....this game deserves GOTD surely.|
With 25.Rd5 white doing a somersault betting. 25.Rd5 is not the best move nor would make white position better and to say more severe, white position after at the end of the move #24 is BAD.
This loss is completely because of blacks ignorance.
25.Rd5 is the bait that so tempting that if someone grab it, his life would be in danger and thats what happened to black.
To win actually black need 25...Ne8! if 26.Qh5 Nxf6.
I calculated this 25.Rd5 enough deep that surprised me, once the bait taken, theres no way back for black AT ALL.
27.Kxf2! Qc5+ (Ne4+ just like the game)
29.Kf1....now to prevent checkmate black has to pose as a suicidal desperado and throw all their pieces to the lion's mouth. (1-0)
|Jan-29-13|| ||PawnSac: < A Heckt-of-a nice win! >|
|Jan-29-13|| ||PawnSac: <ray keene: i believe blacks play was fine-i had to play 25..ne8 when black wins>|
Fine? Boy that's an understatement! The opening play was elegant.. textbook perfect! I saved the game because of that alone!
But 25.Rd5?! is probably the prettiest blunder I've seen in a long time. <The loss is unavoidable..> for black if he takes, and for white if ..Ne8!
A very unusual position indeed! Great GOTD
|Jan-29-13|| ||vinidivici: What a Hecht!!|
|Feb-13-13|| ||solskytz: I loved the strategic idea, refuting ...b6.
There's a disharmony in black's position after this move, resulting from the position of both knights, and most particularly from the inability of the Nd5 to use b6 again.
What is lovely, is the exact method chosen by white, to expose, demonstrate and prove that indeed, black's position IS disharmonious.
It is an example of masterly play, how white plays upon this momentary inconvenience in the black position.
Note how after c4 (already a3 was a masterly move, denying yet another square of relief to the black knight), the knight has to go to e7, denying that same square to the queen, so that after Rd1, she has to go to e8, as Qc7 unfortunately runs into Bf4, inconveniencing her again, and this time really without any good square for her.
Playing thus, in order to send the Queen to e8, is just masterly.
A great player doesn't play for win of material or an attack necessarily - sometimes a whole manoeuver is dedicated just to misplace one enemy piece, or just to create some perceivable disharmony in his position.
Already to predict that the queen will need to go to e8, and to play for it through c4, is appreciable great play.
This comes from a knowledge, that in this kind of positions, with a king castled K-side with a somewhat weakened pawn defense, a knight on f6 that isn't adequately protected, and most important, with a rook on f8, that both hinders the king's flight and will in its turn be blocked, a queen is most unfortunately placed at e8. I won and lost countless games exactly because of the set of circumstances just described.
Recognizing it, seeing that it's inevitable and playing on purpose to reach it, is really remarkable from my point of view.
Mind you - this post is written on seeing the move ...Qe8 and nothing else. I still haven't looked at the rest of the game, to see if it indeed bears my predictions regarding it (the importance of the lack of flight space for the K, the state of the Nf6, the general congestion in the K-side resulting from the Qe8, Rf8, Kg8 combination).
|Feb-13-13|| ||solskytz: 23. Nd7 is a million dollar move!
One idea is Blackburn's mate - 23...Nxd7 24. Qh5!!! with inevitable destruction, as 24...gh leads to 25. Bh7 checkmate.
I love to give this kind of special checkmates in my games - but to do it against Mr. Keene - of course the co-author of the brilliant BCO would never allow it - but he got both legs in the soup in this one...
|Feb-13-13|| ||solskytz: On reading the commentary, I begin to suspect that 23. Nd7 wasn't justified and just drops a piece, to a hard-to-see defense...|
on replaying the game I did see 25. Rd5 before it came - but totally failed to consider the genius defense 25...Ne8. Very resourceful and shows how many unexpected possibilities the game contains!
It attacks the bishop. If the bishop goes back, ...f5 ends the attack. If still 26. Qh5, then after ...Nxf6, h7 is defended, and there's no long diagonal to support a mate in case of 27. Qxh7+ Nxh7 28. Bxh7+.
But still, before move 23, I would still say that white has quite the crushing position. Isn't 23. Ng4 going to accomplish something on the K-side?
I think that after something like 23. Ng4 Nxg4 24. Qxg4 Qc6 25. Kf1 Qh1+ 26. Ke2 white should be winning. Of course this is far from being a forced sequence.
|Feb-13-13|| ||FSR: <solskytz> You are correct (mostly): Houdini 3 says that 23.Ng4! is crushing. Its main line is 23...Nxg4 24.Qxg4 f6 25.Qxe6+ Qxe6 26.Nxe6 and White wins more material. However, in the line you give with 24...Qc6, <now> 25.Rd5! wins. (Your 25.Kf1 Qh1+ 26.Ke2 slightly favors Black after 26...Qxh2 27.Nh3 Qg2 28.Qxg2 Bxg2.)|
|Feb-13-13|| ||solskytz: <FSR> It's satisfactory to see that my chess understanding and vision is largely corroborated by the machine - even if I didn't see everything right :-)|
|Feb-15-13|| ||solskytz: A bit of further elaboration of a thought stated earlier...|
I want to come back to that moment in the game where Black suddenly finds out that he needs to misplace his Q at e8...
When you have to play Q to e8 in this kind of position, this is tantamount fo confessing in front of your opponent, to say "I really have no control over what is going to happen to my kingside for the rest of the game..."
Every alarm bell should be ringing!!!
My two cents
|Jul-10-13|| ||paramount: Finally, the game that deserves GOTD!!|
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