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| Aug-24-13 | | JimmyRockHound: How does white continue if black plays: 14. ...Kf8 ? |
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| Aug-24-13 | | JimmyRockHound: patzer2 answered my question before I posted it! Good work! |
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| Aug-24-13 | | patzer2: <al wazir><But I couldn't see a win after 13...Bxh2+ 14. Kxh2 Qc7+ 15. g3 Qxf7. I still can't.> It's good you visualized it. I didn't consider 13...Bxh2+ in my calculation. After 13...Bxh2+ 14. Kxh2 Qc7+ (position below),
click for larger viewI like the computer recommendation 15. Ne5!
click for larger viewHere, 15...Qxe5 16. f4!  yields a crushing attack against the exposed Black King position. If 15...O-O 16. f4! , the extra piece should win easy. |
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| Aug-24-13 | | RandomVisitor: Black appears doomed even as far back as 12.Nxe5:
click for larger view Rybka 4.1 x64:
[+0.96] d=20 12...Bb4 13.Qc2 Qc5 14.Qxb2 Ba3 15.Rfc1 Bxb2 16.Rxc5 Na6 17.Bb5+ Kf8 18.Rxc8+ Rxc8 19.Nd7+ Kg8 20.Rxb2 f6 21.Bf4 Rd8 22.Bxa6 bxa6 23.Rb7 Re8 24.Bd2 Kf7 25.Ne5+ Ke6 26.Nc6 g5 27.Rxa7 Ra8 |
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| Aug-24-13 | | radtop: What happens if 13. Nxf7 Bxh2+
If white plays 14. Kxh2 0-0 |
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| Aug-24-13 | | stacase: 13 Nxd7 is fairly obvious, and it sort of plays it self after that. |
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| Aug-24-13 | | morfishine: <radtop> Good point ***** |
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| Aug-24-13 | | newzild: <radtop: What happens if 13. Nxf7 Bxh2+. If white plays 14. Kxh2 0-0> 13. Nf7 Bxh2+
14. Kxh2 0-0
15. Qh5
and mates, eg
15...h6
16. Qg6
or ...
15...g6
16. Bxg6 |
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Aug-24-13
 | | whiteshark: I've been here before, but that was way back. |
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| Aug-24-13 | | kabirbel: N×f7 is a good way to expose the king, activate the queen and get a advantageous position |
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| Aug-24-13 | | KlingonBorgTatar: First saw this game when I was a teenager in the 70's. Still gives me the thrills. |
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| Aug-24-13 | | KlingonBorgTatar: Nice pun!! |
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| Aug-24-13 | | RandomVisitor: After 11.Rb1:
click for larger view Rybka 4.1 x64:
[+0.63] d=20 11...h6 12.Bf4 dxe5 13.Bxe5 Be7 14.Bxg7 Rg8 15.Be5 Nc6 16.Rxb2 h5 17.Kh1 h4 18.h3 Kf8 19.Bf4 Qc3 20.Bh6+ Ke8 21.Re2 Qf6 22.Bc1 Be6 23.Bb2 Qf4 |
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| Aug-24-13 | | Dr. Funkenstein: White to play…. Keres is down 3 pawns so clearly he has a tactical shot of some sort planned that the rest of us need to find… 13. Nxf7 threatening the d6 bishop and h8 rook
13. …Kxf7 14. Qh5+
…g6 15. Bxg6+ hxg6 16. Qxh8 looks good with open lines to attack …Kf8 16. Rfe1 Bd7 17. Re3 threatening Rf3+
…Kg8 16. Rfe1 g6 (Bd7 17. Re8+ Bxe8 18. Qxe8+ Bf8 19. Qe6#) 17. Bxg6 13. …Qc7 14. Nxh8 doesn’t look good for black even with the knight in the corner temporarily -- Didn’t fully analyze 13. …Bxh2+ 14. Kxh2 Qc7+ and I doubt I would have found 15. Ne5! In this line |
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| Aug-24-13 | | RandomVisitor: After 10.0-0 black needs to try something else in order to avoid a white advantage:
click for larger view Rybka 4.1 x64:
[+0.00] d=21 10...Nc6 11.Re1 Be6 12.bxc3 h6 13.Bd2 0-0-0 14.exd6 Bxd6 15.Rb1 Rhe8 16.Nd4 Bd7 17.Nxc6 Rxe1+ 18.Bxe1 Bxc6 19.Qg4+ Bd7 20.Qxg7 Qxa2 21.Qxh6 Re8 22.Bd2 Re6 23.Qg5 Re5 24.Qg8+ |
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Aug-24-13
 | | kevin86: Eight of black's first eleven moves were wuth pawns. He had triplets on move 8-a great receipe for defeat. |
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| Aug-24-13 | | gofer: I looked at Nxf7 for a long time. Black can reply with Bxh2+, O-O and Kxf7.
After I had managed to avoid the complications of Bxh2+ with Kh1 everything
became a lot clearer. Black has to accept the knight sacrifice! <13 Nxf7 ...>
13 ... O-O
14 Nxd6
13 ... Bxh2+
14 Kh1 Kxf7 ( O-0 Qh5 )
15 Qh5+ g6 (Kf8 Rfe1 )
16 Qf3+ Kg8 (Ke8 Qf6 or Ke6/Kg7 Qf6+ or Bf4 Bxf4 ) 17 Rfe1 Bd7
18 Be7
<13 ... Kxf7>
<14 Qh5+ ...>
14 ... Ke6+ 15 Bf5+
14 ... Kf8 15 Rfe1 Bd7 16 Qf3+ Kg8 17 Be7
14 ... Kg8 15 Qe8+ Bf8 16 Qxc8
<14 ... g6>
<15 Bxg6+ hxg6>
<16 Qxh8 ...>
At which point, white has ripped open black's defenses. A single solitary pawn
stands up in front of the king and defending that AND the two loose bishops is
a tall order...
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Yep! |
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Aug-24-13
 | | Jimfromprovidence: 17 Re1 is such a great move.
click for larger viewThe threat is 18 Qh7+ Kf8 19 Bh6#.
The rook is untouchable because if 17...Qxe1+ 18 Rxe1 b1Q, it's still mate in two as shown above. <Notyetagm> had pointed this out back in December 2004. It looks like in the end one way white can win is to set up a nice discovered check winning the queen (like below) after a series of checking moves. 
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| Aug-24-13 | | LyzArts: Black's game is hopeless, but he might have held out a bit longer had he played 13. ... 0-0. |
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Aug-24-13
 | | agb2002: White is three pawns down.
Black's threat 13... Bxe5 is not real because of 14.Re1 Nc6 (14... O-O 15.Rxe5 f6 16.Qh5 with attack) 15.f4 recovering the piece and 13... f6 loses to 14.Qh5+. The king in the center invites to play 13.Nxf7:
A) 13... Kxf7 14.Qh5+
A.1) 14... Ke6 15.Bf5+ Ke5 (15... Kxf5 16.Bd2(8)+ and 17.Bxa5 + - [Q vs B+N+2P]) 16.Rfe1+ Kd4 (16... Qxe1+ 17.Rxe1+ Kd4 (17... Kxf5 18.g4#) 18.Qg4+ Kc5 19.Bxc8, etc.) 17.Be3+ A.1.a) 17... Kc4 18.Qe2+ Kb4 (18... Kc3 19.Qxb2+ Kc4 29.Qb3#) 18.Qxb2+ and mate next. A.1.b) 17... Kc3 18.Bd2+ Kxd2 (18... Kc4 19.Bxa5 g6 20.Qe2+, etc.) 19.Qe2+ Kc3 20.Qxb2+ Kc4 21.Rec1+ Qc3 22.Qxc3#. A.2) 14... Kf8 15.Rfe1 Bd7 (15... Qa4 16.Qf3+ Kg8 17.Qxd5+ Kf8 18.Qxd6+, etc.) 16.Qf3+ (16.Bxh7 Qc3) 16... Kg8 17.Be7 Nc6 (17... Bxe7 18.Rxe7 + -) 18.Bxd6 recovers the piece and keeps the attack. A.3) 14... Kg8 15.Rfe1 Bd7 16.Re8+ Bxe8 17.Qxe8+ Bf8 18.Qe6#. A.4) 14... g6 15.Bxg6+ hxg6 (15... Ke6 16.Bf5+ as in A.1; 15... Kg7 16.Bh6+ Kf6 (16... Kg8 17.Bf7#) 17.Qg5+ Ke6 18.Bf5+ Kf7 (18... Ke5 19.Bg7#) 19.Qg7+ Ke8 20.Rfe1+ and mate soon; 15... Kf8 16.Rfe1 Bd7 17.Be8 seems to win; 15... Kg8 16.Rfe1 is similar to the previous subline) 16.Qxh8 recovers material and keeps the attack. A.4.a) 16... Bf5 17.Qf6+ Kg8 (17... Ke7 18.Qxd6 Nc6 19.Rxb2 + - [R vs N]) 18.Qxd6 Bxb1 19.Qe6+ Kg7 20.Qe7+ Kg8 21.Bf6 and mate soon. A.4.b) 16... Bb4 17.Qf6+ Ke8 18.Qxg6+ Kd7 19.Qg7+ Kc6 20.Qxb2 and the material is more or less balanced but White keeps the attack. B) 13... Bxh2+ 14.Kxh2 Kxh7 15.Qh5+ looks favorable for White because the square e7 is now available for a rook or bishop. |
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Aug-25-13
 | | al wazir: <patzer2>: Thanks! (But maybe the win is easier after 13...Bxh2+ 14. Kh1.) |
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Aug-26-21
 | | GrahamClayton: Maybe Winter grabbed all of those pawns in the opening to put pressure on Keres to prove that the sacrifices were correct? |
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| Aug-26-21 | | Damenlaeuferbauer: According to GM Reuben Fine, "The World's Greatest Chess Games", 1976, p. 213, this was the game, which made Paul "the Second" Keres world-famous. Together with Akiba Rubinstein, David Bronstein, Viktor Korchnoi, and Vassily Ivanchuk he was the strongest player, who never became world champion. |
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Aug-26-21
 | | perfidious: Winter cannot be accused of anything less than outright avarice in snatching virtually everything which his young opponent put on offer. |
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Sep-25-21
 | | 0ZeR0: A more concrete example of the dangers of greed in chess could not exist. |
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sac: 13.Nxf7