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|Dec-23-05|| ||ughaibu: TheSlid: Sounds like the game's not as instructive as it's cracked up to be.|
|Dec-23-05|| ||simsan: I have a question to those of you who have the high-end digital chess engines. |
Are they any good at discovering pertpetual checks (for the player that seems to be loosing) thus evaluating those lines to 0.0?
|Dec-23-05|| ||TheSlid: You could be right <ughaibu>. I've been Bored with Excitement for years now.|
|Dec-23-05|| ||ughaibu: Excitement, yeah, I remember that.|
|Dec-23-05|| ||TheSlid: Excitement is best avoided - it usually leads to trouble.|
|Dec-23-05|| ||ughaibu: "Better the boredom you know" and all that. . . .|
|Dec-23-05|| ||LIFE Master AJ: I saw both Ne7 and Re7 almost right away ... I eventually went for Re7 ... but it turned out to be wrong. |
The Knight maneuver of Ne7+, Nc6, Nd8 wins of course, but after spending nearly 5 minutes on Re7, I thought that it - for sure - was the answer.
|Dec-23-05|| ||yoozum: Even I got this one ;-)|
|Dec-23-05|| ||TTLump: <simsan> yes, they are very good at that type of situation. The strength of the chess engines is that they can evaluate millions of positions to depths that are not possible by a human and they almost ALWAYS pick the best move and if the only alternative to draw by perpetual check is to lose, then they will always pick the draw.|
|Dec-23-05|| ||TTLump: this game is so rich and full with winnning variations for white, that it becomes almost pointless to say which is the best move, they are all good. Personally, I like Patzer2's solution the best, even though it gets the 'lowest' score with the chess engines, because it is easy to calculate and leads very quickly to a position that while white does not have a huge material advantage, he has an advanced passed pawn that can't be stopped with giving up a piece.|
36. Re7 Bxe7
37. Qxe6+ Kf8
38. Nxe7 Qxe7
39. Qxg6 h4
40. Kg2 Qd7
41. a5 Qc7
42. Kh3 Qe7
43. Kxh4 Qd7
44. Qf5+ Qxf5
|Dec-23-05|| ||Tariqov: <aginis>How about 36Re7Bxe7 37Qxe6+Kf8 38Nh6Kg7! 39Ke2!?Qf8 40Nf5+ef 41gfQf7 42Qh6+Kg8 something like this with a extra tempo (39Ke2).if this doesn't work you win:)|
|Dec-23-05|| ||kevin86: Ne7+ a nice interference check followed by a discovered check then a pressure move on the pin--all of which gain the exchange and places the queen into a lethal attacking stance.|
|Dec-24-05|| ||aginis: <tariqov> <36.Re7 Bxe7 37.Qxe6+ Kf8 38.Nh6 Kg7! 39.Ke2!? Qf8 40.Nf5+! gf 41.ef Qf7 42.Qh6+ Kg8> |
A.43.g6? Qxc5+ 44.Kd1 Nf6 and white's attack is stalled (g7 Nh7; or Bg5 Qf1+ Kc2 Qg2 Bd2 Qxf3 )
B.43.f6? Nxf6 44.gf Bxf6 : black is up a pawn, the c4 pawn is hanging and the white queen is stuck in the corner.
C. any other move is met with Qxf5
|Dec-24-05|| ||Tariqov: <aginis>how instead of ke2 but the extra tempo with Kg2 or Kf2:)|
|Dec-25-05|| ||aginis: Kg2 allows 43.g6 Qg7 pinning the pawn
Kf2 requires a completely different approach.(which can be used for the others as well.)
36.Re7 Bxe7 37.Qxe6+ Kf8 38.Nh6 Kg7! 39.Kf2!? Qf8 40.Nf5+! gf 41.ef <Qd8>
A.42.Qh6+ Kg8 43.g6 Nf6
B.42.Qh6 Kg8 43.Qg6 Kh8 44.Qxh5 Bxg5 45.Bxg5 Qxg5 46.Qe8+ =
|Dec-25-05|| ||Tariqov: <aginis>ok, i guess you're tired analysing and me just suggesting:).i shall raise the flag simple Nxe7 is better then Nh6.|
|Dec-25-05|| ||aginis: quite the opposite i enjoy it.
but perhaps we should move on to fresh material.
|Jul-03-06|| ||notyetagm: < TheSlid: ... The annotation style of Chernev's is very patzer-freindly, unlike todays "style" of printing out line after line of fritz-speak.>|
Fritz-speak LOL. This term will soon be replaced with <Rybka-speak>.
|Dec-30-06|| ||notyetagm: 24 h4, 25 g4 is very instructive play by Keres. The center is closed so Keres plays on a wing (kingside) with pawn thrusts.|
|Nov-18-07|| ||MissesManyMoves: Walter Tevis--through his protagonist of course--gushes over this game (and 35.Rb7 in particular) in his fantastic 1983 chess novel The Queen's Gambit. (p51)|
|Apr-15-11|| ||parisattack: Playing over Hort-Keres brought me here. No one mastered both sides of the Ruy Lopez quite like Keres.|
This is indeed a Board with Excitement. Chernev's annotations while not particularly deep do really put you square with the action. After four decades since I first saw it, still one of my favorite games.
|Apr-15-11|| ||sevenseaman: 36. Ne7 and 38. Nd8 are two brilliant moves. Keres was good enough to be WC, I think.|
|Jul-16-11|| ||notyetagm: Game Collection: Keres Best Games|
|Jul-16-11|| ||notyetagm: Game Collection: The Most Instructive Games of Chess Ever Played|
|Jan-28-12|| ||notyetagm: Game Collection: OVERLOADED: TTTCIE: QxR / ... QxR|
Keres vs A Tarnowski, 1952 38 Nc6-d8! Black e8-queen protects e6-rook from White d5-queen
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