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| Jun-09-07 | | sanyas: If 49.bxc5 ♕h4 50.♕xg3 then 50...♖xg3 is horrible: 51.cxb6 ♕d8 52.b7 ♕b8 53.♖fc2 ♖xa3 54.c5 dxc5 55.♖xc5 ♔f7 56.♖xf5+ ♗xf5 57.♘c6. But if instead 50...♕xg3, Black should at least draw, eg. 51.♖b3 ♕g4 52.cxb6 ♗c8 53.♗e2 ♕g6 54.♗d1 ♗b7. |
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| Sep-19-07 | | notyetagm: <ray keene: I chose this game as my favourite game of all time in my book learn from the grandmasters.> Wow, great choice. Absolutely -stupendous- play by Petrosian. |
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| Oct-15-07 | | arsen387: Nobody in this world could attack and defend with such terrific accuracy like it did one of the greatest champions of all times Tigran Petrosian.
And about this game. It is fantastic. One can't express all the beauty of it with humble words. All you can do is to look at it speechless and just admire. |
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| Dec-07-07 | | InspiredByMorphy: I at first thought maybe white had a defensive resource with 48.Qe2 but 48. ...Nd3 is still crushing. Petrosian often seems to attack out of the blue. I'm sure his mostly "defensive" style of play contributes to this. |
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| May-17-08 | | norcist: lol wait wait in Keene's and simpole's book on petrosian, the authors claim to be revealing the q-sac for the first time....but it appears solstys beat them to it (Nov 05). Unless solstys is mr julian simpole...i certainly hope due recognition isn't being withheld from our pioneering kibitzer!!! (if i am wrong on this apologies to GM keene) |
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| Jan-09-09 | | andrewleef1: Great finish by Petrosian!!!! |
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| Apr-10-09 | | DrGridlock: < solstys: According to Fritz, after 49. bxc5 Qh4 50. Qxg3 Rxg3 51. bxc6, white has the advantage. Any opinions? > Computer analyses can date quickly- especially if they're not done with advanced programs, or to a significant depth. Rybka scores White's continuation at move 49 as follows: Be2 -.07
Rf3 -.09
Rfc2 -.24
Rfd2 -.30
bxc5 -.54
all other continuations: -1.5 or better for black.
Rybka's best line for white is:
Be2 Qh4
Rf3 exf3
Nxf3 Qh8
Qd4 Ne6
Qf6 Qh5
Nh4 Rf7
Bxh5 Rxf6
Rybka's line for White's bxc5 continuation is:
bxc5 Qh4
Qxg3 Qxg3
Rb3 Qg4
cxb6 Bc8
Be2 Qg6
Bf1 Rb7
Rb5 Bd7
After White's game continuation at move 49 (Rfd2) the game can still be saved, but after Qh4 it is important for White to continue -
Nf3 exf3
gxf3 Re7
Qd4 Bc6
Qxd6 Bxf3
Rg2 axb4
where Black's advantage is -.30
After White's continuation at move 50 (Be2), the game can still be saved so long as White replies to Rh7 with Bh5, though after:
Bh5 Rxh5
Kf1 Nd3
Ne2 Nxb2
Rxb2 Qh1+
Ng1 Rh4
bxa5 bxa5
Rybka's score of a -.53 advangate for Black is a good game for Petrosian. All other continuations other than Bh5 lead to a forced mate for Black. Black's combination beginning with 47 ... Rg3 is a "speculative combination" in that it does not lead to a forced win for Black, but demands accurate play by White. In all lines Black is no worse than even, with opportunities for a Black win if White plays inaccurately. Keres made small mistakes with 49 Rfd2 and 50 Be2, and a gigantic mistake with 51 Kf1. |
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Apr-10-09
 | | ray keene: fascinating stuff-the book i wrote with julian simpole on petrosian v the elite was published in 2006, but we had finished writing it well before then. when we found the queen sac which we thought was new and probably wd have saved keres, we had never seen it anywhere before-the november 2005 date for its appearance here suggests to me that we had already found it but not yet published it! in any case the masterly tour de force by < dr gridlock> indicates that the position is deeper and richer than even i had thought , but it in no way invalidates petrosians grandiose combination-thanks for some great work |
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| Apr-16-09 | | Nezhmetdinov: <ray keene> I loved your Learn from the Grandmasters book - it is where I first encountered my (assumed) namesake in Tal's entry and marvellous games such as Benko vs Suttles, 1964 and M Stean vs Browne, 1974
It was a great format - you really should do another, it is lovely to see the top player's chess taste. |
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| May-15-09 | | drnooo: Anyone who is wont to leave Keres out of the top ten players of all time should look at the games between these two guys. They met probably when Keres was a tad past his prime,but still, neither could really make a dent in the other.
If Korchnoi is right in calling Keres one of the few real masters of attack, and everybody of course Petrosian the supreme master of defense, there you have it: always a day at the carnival. What a sideshow. |
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| May-20-09 | | arsen387: The finishing combination of this game starting with Rg3 is just astonishing. Pure genius! |
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May-20-09
| | ray keene: <nezh> thanks for the compliment |
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| May-24-09 | | Hugh the Drover: A Queen sacrifice to lure the other Queen away from being able to intercede against a first-rank rook mate, supported by a Damocletian pawn. |
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| Aug-03-10 | | sevenseaman: Engine seizure! |
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| Sep-19-10 | | Whitehat1963: The Guess-the-Move average score indicates that this is a very tough game for most regular players to understand. |
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| Sep-20-10 | | fab4: I had to play this game through a couple of times trying to spot where Keres went wrong!All of his moves upto move 43 seem so natural. Keres' 43.Kg1 was the first move I had to try and understand.I thought he was making a run for it with his king. Then I looked harder at 42...Qa8 , an extraordinary and beautiful move, and realised it was connected with the long diaganal and threat of a black knight landing on d3... still, Keres' must've felt uncomfortable about putting his king on the g file lol. In the 49.bc Rybka line below given by <DrGridlock> I noticed 53.Ne6!? as a possibility instead of the seemingly pointless 53.Be2/54.Bf1 manouvre. The knight heads for d8 and moves like c5 come into play. 54..Be6 55.b7 looks ok for white to me. Or am I missing something?! Anyway what struck me about Petrosian's play was his handling of the black queen.The way he swaps her to the kingside Qb6/Rfc8/Qd8/Qe8/Qf8, where she reinforces the black squares there and prevents a trade of bishops,to her again swinging over to the queenside with Qa8,indirectly protecting the Nc5 and dreaming of the long diaganal opening,to her final and last deadly sortie, swooping her over to the kingside again with Qd8/Qh4, scenting the blood of Keres' hapless monarch. This game has changed my opinion of Petrosian in one fell swoop! |
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| Sep-20-10 | | twin phoenix: This is a beautiful game!!! had to playover the ending three times just to begin to understand... If i had white...n I know that it not that good but in OTB play i really like 13. B-h6. "Defanging the dragon" Try to get rid of that dude on g7 pronto! get rid of him n i win 75%. don't and win 50% at best... hard to try to improve on Keres though!! |
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| Nov-04-10 | | lostgalaxy: If this is a tennis match I can see Nadal as black, attacking from deep behind the baseline! |
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| Nov-08-10 | | sevenseaman: ...32. Qxf4+ is a superlative, thinking move; it brings in the bacon. |
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| Nov-09-10 | | diceman: <sevenseaman: ...32. Qxf4+ is a superlative, thinking move; it brings in the bacon.> I like 47...Rg3!! much better.
It takes the squares away (from the king)
and opens the files to allow
Qxf4+. |
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| Nov-14-10 | | Tigranny: Brilliant queen sacrifice by Tigran for Rh1 mate. |
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| Jan-31-11 | | Whitehat1963: Good Lord, there is so much subtle maneuvering here! Really hard to follow. One for Rybka 10 to analyze! |
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| Jun-17-11 | | Eduardo Bermudez: amazing counterattack ! |
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| Jun-30-11 | | YetAnotherAmateur: On the question of refusing 47. ... Rg3!, one possible line might be: 48. Qd2 Nd3 49. Bxd3 exd3 50. hxg3 Rf3 51. Qh4 Qxd3 52. Qh2+ Kf1 53. Qh1+ Ke2 54. Qxg2+ Kd1 55. Qxb2 and it's curtains for white shortly thereafter. |
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| Dec-29-11 | | Mudphudder: Hard to believe Keres' allowed black's h-pawn to get as far as it did.. |
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