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H R Rost vs Edgars Sneiders
W 035 (1989)
King's Gambit: Accepted. Schallop Defense (C34)  ·  0-1

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Apr-01-11  alachabre: Ok, an opening problem, I like it! Obviously from a King's Gambit. The first thing I want to do is attack the grave weakness of the dark squares, and rip open the king side. I wonder if the mistake by White in this game is the posting of the king's bishop on e2, that seems a passive square for this opening. Ah well, on to the attack!

8. ... Ng3+
9. hxg3 fg
10. Nf3 to stop Qh4. Hmm. This seems a fair defense, so I now want to look at

8. ... Qh4, threatening the previous Ng3, this time as checkmate. What can stop it?

(At this point I wasted quite a bit of time on analysis, missing the obvious Bxh5. This is why I am reading "Danger in Chess" by Amatzia Avni, an attempt to overcome the tactical blindness induced by artificial faith in the superiority of an attack or of a position. All to easy to over-pursue an attractive attack when engaged in puzzle-solving!)

At the end of it all, I have to admit I see no fruitful way forward.

Apr-01-11  ChessPieceFace: <Once> Oh my gosh, thank you! I'm reading that column now, and it's pretty much exactly what I needed! I can sometimes get the puzzles on here, but I rarely understand *why* something should work, and what the overall purpose is (opening up the kingside, exploiting the weak dark squares, etc). I'm trying really hard though, so thank you for your help! :)
Apr-01-11  alachabre: Some commentary on the commentary.

<<M.Hassan> 10.d4? by White brought fast checkmate> An honest analysis, and interesting in that Hassan's 11. d4? is still a blunder. A good example of an obvious and attractive move being dead wrong.

<<Major Dude> This was pretty easy for a Friday. I got all the correct moves in the first try.> It's always interesting to see the one-liners that simply pronounce "Mission Accomplished" (today is a good day for those). As they used to tell us all in school, "Show your work."

<<castle dweller> I do want to say, however, thank you to Chessgames.com. One of the things that I enjoy so much about this site is that it asks you, in various different ways, to think and to stay alert.> I couldn't have said it better!

Apr-01-11  alachabre: A further comment to M. Hassan's analysis. After 10. Nf3 Bg4, the position is awash in ways for White to go wrong with "natural" moves. 8. ... Ng3+ might not be so bad, depending on the strength of the competition.
Apr-01-11  MaczynskiPratten: <ChessPieceFace>,<Once>; I think it's fair to say that there are not that many positions where there is a clear winning move that changes the course of the game. But almost every position contains one or more blunders - some obvious, some not - that instantly turn it from OK to dead lost! Today, 8...Ng3+ and 10 d4 are examples of these not-so-obvious blunders. After 8...Ng3+, I missed 10 Bb5+ (clearing the way for the Queen) and 10 Rf4. I saw 10 Nf3 but thought that Qf6 was still winning (as the Knight has blocked the way for the Bh5 interposition) but now 11 d4 works. I did have an uneasy feel about the position as it seemed to me that White had a lot of possible resources and that I might have mmissed one, still .. Nice April Fool cg.com!

Tartakover (I believe) said, "The blunders are there on the board, waiting to be made" and "The winner is the player who makes the last mistake but one".

Apr-01-11  MaczynskiPratten: Enjoyed <Once>'s GOOT. I wondered initially whether it might stand for Game Of The Trap (i.e. spoiler).

For a classic GOOT with an unexpected twist, see Black's 12th move in Marshall vs Dus Chotimirsky, 1911.

Apr-01-11
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  Once: <MaczynskiPratten> And I enjoyed the Marshall game - thanks! It's nearly always fun when "unstoppable mate threats" are ... well ... stopped. Fun - unless you are the one making the GOOT move, that is.
Apr-01-11
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  morfishine: <tacticalmonster> April Fools!,,.Nah, just kidding...I was in too much of a hurry,,,,should never have posted it...thanks for checking; will have to be more circumspect going forward :) Morf
Apr-01-11  Koblenz: I found it easily, coz I've already played a similar move (with similar treats)in a game... )
Apr-01-11  castle dweller: <MaczynskiPratten> I happen to have Marshall's autobiography "My Fifty Years of Chess", in which he recounts the game in some detail. A great read.

In it, he recounts the elation with which his opponent makes the second-to-last move of the game (thinking he has sealed a victory against the mighty Marshall) only to discover upon returning to the room (with other players in tow) that Marshall has played an fine, unexpected reply that basically dashed all his hopes.

I also found it interesting that Marshall was, himself, quite nervous about this game because he mentioned that his opponent was doing alot of prep work for their encounter that day. But ultimately his opponent just didn't see it coming and the game seemed to turn on a dime for him.

Apr-01-11
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  Penguincw: Yay.Another puzzle correct.I chose 8...♘g3+ for the following reasons:

1.It gives check to the white king.By giving check,you force white to stop what they're doing and react to the check.

2.It's one of those forcing moves.Since the bishop covers g1 and the white pawns block g2 and h2,the pawn must take the knight on g3.

3.It comes with a fork.It hits the rook,bishop and king.If the white king had to move,then black could maybe trade the knight for bishop or just win the exchange by grabbing the rook.

4.It starts to open up the h file.Black's h8 rook and queen could start giving check on the h file at some point.


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Apr-01-11  TuxedoKnight: lol, check this Aprils fools joke!

http://tuxedoknight.uphero.com

ahahah it is hilarious

Apr-01-11  Old Wolf: <<Penguincw>: Yay.Another puzzle correct.I chose 8...Ng3+>

Oops

Apr-01-11
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  Penguincw: < Old Wolf: <<Penguincw>: Yay.Another puzzle correct.I chose 8...Ng3+>

Oops >

Oops what? Or is this an April Fools Day joke.

Apr-01-11  MaczynskiPratten: <Penguincw>: see the two notes marked A in the game score and the earlier kibitzing. 8...Ng3+ is unsound and the puzzle is a spoiler for April 1!
Apr-01-11  MaczynskiPratten: <castledweller>; thanks for finding the original source for the Marshall game. I've looked again in The Chess Player's Bedside Book, where I originally saw it many years ago, and indeed they quote My 50 Years of Chess as the original source.
Apr-01-11
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  Penguincw: < MaczynskiPratten: <Penguincw>: see the two notes marked A in the game score and the earlier kibitzing. 8...Ng3+ is unsound and the puzzle is a spoiler for April 1! >

Another spoiler! Here's the last spoiler I remembered.Christmas Eve spoiler. Kiril Georgiev vs Lputian, 1985 Proof:Kiril Georgiev vs Lputian, 1985

Apr-01-11
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  morfishine: <TuxedoKnight> Great puzzles! I really like your site
Apr-01-11  scormus: <CG> A good 1st Avril poisson. The temptation to pick 8 .... Ng3+ was strong, but would have been even strong if todays date had been a couple of days ago. I just avoided getting caught, partly because it looked too obvious for a Friday.

After quite some time I decided I wasnt going to find a direct win, so 8 ... Nf6 makes good sense. Well done to those like <agb2002> who not only saw through the trick but found what must be the best move.

A good lesson in reminding us that not all, in fact not many, match-ups end with a decisive tactical win. Most often you have to go for the points decision.

Apr-01-11  David2009: A tricky one for April Fool's Day: 8...Qh4 (hoping for 9 d4 Ng3+ 10 Kg1 Bxd4+ 11 Qxd4 Nxe2+) fails to 9 Bxh5! 1-0. No better is 8...Ng3+ 9 hxg3 h5 10 Rxf4; or 8...Ng3+ 9.hxg3 Qd6 10.d5; or finally 8...Ng3+ 9 hxg3 fxg3 10 Rf4 kills the attack. Conclusion: play for equality with 9...Nf6 10 d4 Bd6. Time to check:
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Bed time. Nuff said.
Apr-01-11  BOSTER: <ChessPieceFace> <I was assuming that in almost any position ... there is a move which can change either sides position into winning one . Is this correct assumption?>
The answer is NO.
<How does one know when the game crossed the line to A Won Game?> The answer: When your opponent (or you) resign.
Apr-01-11  WhiteRook48: I went for 8...Qh4
Apr-01-11  thebirdolux: E SNEIDERS
(born Mar-25-1912, died Jun-07-1988) Latvia (citizen of United States of America) Edgar Sneiders

That is from the link to his name.

The game says it's from W025 1989. Is his bio incorrect?

Apr-01-11
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  Phony Benoni: <thebirdolux> The bio is correct. Either this game is misdated, or it's not by <Edgar> Sneiders.

I strongly suspect the latter. Edgar Sneiders was too strong to fall for 8...Ng3+ in a correspondence game.

Apr-02-11
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  playground player: <Once> Spoil-sport! I was just trying to get a rise out of <AJ>. But you're right, of course. Ng3+ only works if White cooperates--and my opponents never cooperate that much. Doping it out on a board, one discovers that mostly Black just winds up a Knight down for his pains.
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