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| May-24-04 | | HailM0rphy: <I've never seen the idea, that Romantic players attacked willy-nilly -SBC on Paulsen Morphy game> Haha I think SBC should take another look at this and other Philidor/Anderssen games :D |
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| Sep-05-04 | | Knight13: That's a forcemate. |
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| Jan-15-06 | | morpstau: HailM0rphy: <I've never seen the idea, that Romantic players attacked willy-nilly -SBC on Paulsen Morphy game> Haha I think SBC should take another look at this and other Philidor/Anderssen games :D |
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| Jan-30-06 | | Mate Hunter: After 15.Bg6+ black could protect the mate 16.Qf7# with 15...Qf6 (16.Rxf6+ and then 17.Qf7#). It's better to be mated at the 17th move than the 16th move. |
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| Mar-17-06 | | DeepBlade: Chess made easy. A piece(♘) sac, to create a advanced-Queen weakness, and exploitong the weakness by 13.Bxf4 a nice tempo move. Notice the KGA Rook on f1, his line of attack aims at the Black King. Check, pin, discovered check, mate. |
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| Mar-17-06 | | RookFile: I think 7. c3 was a very good move by Philidor, especially for 1790.
It deadens the g7 bishop and prepares the way for the Bc4/Qb3 battery. Years later, as great a King's Gambit expert as Spassky erred with Nc3 in a similar position against Fischer, instead of the correct c3. Spassky vs Fischer, 1960 |
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| May-21-07 | | Whitehat1963: Quite a combination (or puzzle) after 10...hxg5. (Player of the Day) |
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| May-21-07 | | Autoreparaturwerkbau: From move 10-14 white takes 5 pawns in 5 moves. I've never seen such streak yet. So giving up the knight could hardly be called a sac. |
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| Feb-01-08 | | wolfmaster: Sticking the queen right in f7! Beautiful! |
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| Oct-15-08 | | just a kid: A slaughter to say the least. |
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| Aug-02-13 | | Oliveira: Upon 13... ♕e7, 14.♗xg8 would give White a great advantage.
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| Nov-23-13 | | thomastonk: There is a very similar game in this database: J H Sarratt vs NN, 1818. I wonder if both are authentic. Does anybody have original sources, in particular for this one? |
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| Dec-26-13 | | donjova: It seems that 12...Kf8 was a crucial mistake, as black has put his king on the open f-file with white rook on it, and all of tactics on f7 remained possible. If he played 12...Kd8, he would have some dangerous counterplay after Qh4. |
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Oct-04-15
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| Jun-09-16 | | juanhernandez: powerful !!! |
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| Oct-16-23 | | numerosix: I've read philidor's book and did not find this game. 1st gambit analysed in the book around page 60 starts the same, but continues 8.Qe2 Bg4, and no variation look at 8.Qb3.
Online copy accessible here : https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/b...
It's a great game but not from "l'analyse des échecs" |
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Oct-16-23
| | jnpope: <numerosix>, the version at gallica is the 1749 edition, it can be found in the 1750 edition. |
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Oct-16-23
| | jnpope: My 1750 version is a French translation of the English 1750 version (which itself is a translated/updated version of the French 1749 edition). |
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Oct-16-23
| | jnpope: And I just confirmed that the game can also be found in the English 1750 version. |
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Oct-16-23
| | jnpope: And while I'm at it, it does not show up in the 1754 German version (which appears to be a direct translation of the 1749 French version with no updates by Philidor). |
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| Oct-19-23 | | numerosix: It also doesn't appear in 2nd edition in 1777. Strange that it appears to be only in 1750 edition. Maybe an addition that is due to english translator of this particular edition. Since you (<jnpope>) say "My edition", I guess you have access to a copy and I trust you, but it's always frustrating not to find it by myself in any copy I've found. |
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| Oct-19-23 | | numerosix: Searching for english edition, I found 2 kind of editions. One is translated as "chess analyzed" and is indeed showing this game as the 6th back-up game of 1st gambit. Other english edition are closer to french original work and called "analysys of the game of chess", and even later work like 1790 edition shows exactly the same moves and back-up games in 1st gambit than the moves from french 1749 edition. So I confirm : only the 1750 translation called "chess analyzed" shows this game. Is it truly from Philidor then ? I don't know. No evidence of the contrary, but why did he removed this game in other editions is a full mystery. Thanks jnpope for pointing the 1750 edition which is somehow unique, at least very diffrent from other editions of Philidor's publihed work. |
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| Oct-19-23 | | stone free or die: <numerosix> thanks to <jn>'s info I think I found it here: https://books.google.com/books?id=v... It's the 1750 English language edition.
The game actually ends after White's discovered check on move 15. . |
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Oct-19-23
| | jnpope: Biographer Bistro (kibitz #27144) There are over 70 editions of Philidor's work.
It might be worth running down all the French, English, Italian, Russian, German, and Dutch editions to compare the differences, but I don't have the time or energy to track down 70+ versions of this work for a detailed comparison. :-P For ease of verification, the source should be changed to the English 1750 edition as that is more readily available online. |
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Oct-19-23
| | jnpope: <numerosix: ...but why did he removed this game in other editions is a full mystery.> It does make one wonder if the English 1750 edition was an authorized version. |
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