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|Feb-21-08|| ||Calli: "What a Fool Believes" 12...Qxd4??, but in Chess, a wise man does have the power to reason away.|
|Feb-21-08|| ||Georgie Dubb: Best pun ever.|
|Feb-21-08|| ||D.Observer: Why are they called the <J'adoubie Brothers>? Is it due to their ignorance of the touch-move rule?!|
|Feb-21-08|| ||Domdaniel: <D.Observer> Nothing to do with touch-move: it's a pun on Doobie Brothers, a once-popular 'beat combo' or 'rock band' or something like that.|
Excellent pun, CG. I thought of <King-walker Brothers> but it's too awkward. And <Smother Brothers> would need a smothered mate.
Looks like these lads had lots of that sibling rivalry stuff going on, doesn't it?
|Feb-21-08|| ||MaxxLange: Yeah, the Byrne brothers always had the best weed.|
|Feb-21-08|| ||JG27Pyth: I think a better title for this game is: <Burn! Burn!!> (The PGN for the game is byrne_byrne 1949)|
And just think if you were Donald and Robert's father, you could introduce them as your son Byrnes.
Nice game though. 8.Ng5! is very interesting and strong IMO. I was expecting Ne5 there. But the continuation with 8...Nxg5 9.Nxe4! is practically forced. I think 9...Bxf4 cooked Donald's goose, had should have conceded the pawn and played 9.0-0 -- did he really think he could snap up the pawn and fight his way out of the discovery threats from the N on e4?
<"What a Fool Believes" 12...Qxd4??, but in Chess, a wise man does have the power to reason away.>
Yeah, Qxd4 loses almost immediately ... but black has serious problems...I don't think black has a move. I thought 12...Qh6 let him hang on a bit longer but 13.Kd2! wins the N (the more intuitive 13.Kf2? leads to tactical insanity and black counterplay after 13...f4.) 12...Qe7 also fails, again to 13.Kd2.
I think this would make an excellent short Guess-the-Move game.
|Feb-21-08|| ||Jim Bartle: I think a better title for this game is: <Burn! Burn!!>|
Or "Byrne, baby, Byrne!"
|Feb-21-08|| ||kevin86: In this use of the Falkbeer,black was very passive-not a good combination. |
Black's queen was busier than a one-armed paper hanger with poison ivy.
A few more alternate puns:
"Fighting Burn with Burn"
|Feb-21-08|| ||Domdaniel: <Pyth> "Son Byrne" -- excellent.|
This is totally irrelevant, but before the sunblock era there was a fashion - mostly in Australia - for homemade tan tattoos, made by cutting out a stencil of a word or image, putting it on your skin, and lying in the sun. The rays would do the rest.
It seems it was mainly used by teenagers burning on the names of boyfriends or girlfriends, not worrying about future consequences. Which led to the headline of an article I saw: "A melanoma named Bruce".
|Feb-21-08|| ||Jack Kerouac: Oh Brother, Where Art Thou
|Feb-21-08|| ||FSR: I was thinking of "Byrne, baby, Byrne! Disco inferno!"|
|Feb-21-08|| ||Jimfromprovidence: <JG27Pyth> <12...Qe7 also fails, again to 13.Kd2.>|
In your continuation take a look at 13...f4, which should hold for black
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|Feb-21-08|| ||ChessNe1: byrne on you!|
|Feb-21-08|| ||A.G. Argent: <Domdaniel> Inre: The Australian article you saw(?); Sheila you jest.|
|Feb-21-08|| ||jovack: I definitely would have played my queen back to e7 if I was black on move 13. White's position is dominant, but at least there's still hope.|
|Feb-21-08|| ||JG27Pyth: <Jimfromprovidence: In your continuation take a look at 13...f4, which should hold for black> |
That diagram isn't right... the pawn g2 should be g3, and the answer to 13.f4 is gxf4.
But I looked (with help from Mr. Silicon) and you're are right that black isn't absolutely no-chances-to-draw dead -- I went in a half dozen moves and the evaluation is roughly +2.0 for white.
I guess I would expect a professional player to struggle on looking for some way to swindle a draw, but after 13.gxf4 I wouldn't want to play black, would you?
|Feb-21-08|| ||Jimfromprovidence: <JG27Pyth> <That diagram isn't right... the pawn g2 should be g3, and the answer to 13.f4 is gxf4.> |
The diagram is fine based on the continuation you proposed <12...Qe7 also fails, again to 13.Kd2.> Your 13 Kd2 replaces the text move 13 g3. If you want to play 13 g3 instead of 13 Kd2 black will castle.
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Either way black has equalized.
|Feb-21-08|| ||JG27Pyth: <Jimfromprovidence: The diagram is fine...>|
Well... yes & no... I see what happened, not your fault.
My line was mis-numbered, I had responded to this <"What a Fool Believes" 12...Qxd4??, but in Chess...> I didn't check that there is no 12...Qxd4, it should have been numbered 13...Qxd4
despite the faulty numbering, my analysis was for alternate 13th moves for black, not alternate 12th... and in my analysis, g3 has been played.
|Feb-21-08|| ||Calli: <JG27Pyth> Sorry about the typo! 13...Qxd4, of course. I must have been humming a Doobie tune.|
|Feb-21-08|| ||Jim Bartle: "Humming" a Doobie?? Hope you didn't inhale.|
|Feb-21-08|| ||Jimfromprovidence: <JG27pyth>< despite the faulty numbering, my analysis was for alternate 13th moves for black, not alternate 12th... and in my analysis, g3 has been played.
Yeah, you just proved my point. Black had to move correctly by move 12. Move 13 is too late.
|Feb-22-08|| ||JG27Pyth: <J-F-P:Yeah, you just proved my point. Black had to move correctly by move 12. Move 13 is too late.>|
Well, that's a relief, as it was my original point as well!
<JG27Pyth: Qxd4 loses almost immediately ... but black has serious problems...I don't think black has a move...>
|Feb-23-08|| ||teak poker: For those of us who don't speak French, what does "j'adoubie" mean?|
|Feb-23-08|| ||ChessNe1: the real word is "j'adoube", or "I am adjusting" [my piece on its square].|
|Feb-29-08|| ||hedgeh0g: And the Doobie Brothers are an American rock band.|
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