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|Sep-14-04|| ||Zaius: What a game! I really loved those sacrifices |
|Sep-14-04|| ||smokedinone: <iron maiden> i think its not a puzzle because 12 ... Be4 seems to allow black to diffuse the attack and escape with a material advantage. In any case, after 12 ... Be4, i don't think there is a clear forced win for white. Crafty plays a line that goes something like 12 ... Be4 13 Rxh6+ gxh6 14 Qxh6+ Kg8 15 Bg5 f6 16 Bxf6 Rxf6 17 exf6 Qf8. Here black is up by about 2 pawns. (933MHz G4, 30 sec/move). |
|Sep-14-04|| ||An Englishman: Good Evening: smokedinone, I'm playing without a board or chess program, so I apologize in advance for my errors. What does Crafty play after 12...Be4; 13.Bxh6,gxf6; 14.Bg5+? Or after 13...g6; 14.Qh4? Or after 13...Bg6; 14.Qh4,gxf6; 15.exf6 (threatening 16.Bg7)? What's Crafty's best variation after 13.Bh6,gxh6; 14.Qxh6+,Kg8; 15.Rae1,Bg6; 16.Re3 (which looks good for Black to me)? |
|Sep-14-04|| ||clocked: White could also have played 12.Bxh6 gxh6 13.Rf6 Qxf6 14.exf6 |
|Sep-14-04|| ||Honza Cervenka: <An Englishman> If 12...Be4 13.Bxh6 Bg6 14.Qh4, then 14...gxh6 and white's attack seems to be over. |
|Sep-14-04|| ||Deelong: I think <clocked> is right. 12.Bxh6 is stronger. Even with "best" defense 12... g6 13.Qh3 Kg8 14.Bxf8 Qxf8 (not 14...Kxf8 15.Qh8+ Qe7 16.Rxf7+) 15.Rf6 gives white a winning advantage. |
|Sep-14-04|| ||Eatman: <Clocked> in your line after 14. exf6 Be4 seems to hold fine for black and they actually have 2 pieces and rook for the queen which should be more than sufficient in the long run |
|Sep-14-04|| ||clocked: <Eatman> the long run is a long time coming... how does black respond to 15.h4 |
|Sep-14-04|| ||CavaleiroNegro: nice sacrifice |
|Sep-14-04|| ||kevin86: Of course it's an early grave after12...gxf6 13 ♕xh6+ ♔g8 14 exf6|
But I see 12 ♗xh6 ♗xh6 13 ♖xf6 just as effective
|Sep-14-04|| ||Knight13: 8... g6 might look better to stop the Bxf7+! |
|Sep-14-04|| ||patzer2: <Chessgames.com> Your pun is about a hundred miles off the mark. Utapao AB was a USAF B-52 bomber and KC-135 Refueler base during the Vietnam era, apparently when Wall was serving as an enlisted man in the Air Force. |
Utapao was located near Sattahip about a hundred miles southeast of Bankok on the Gulf of Siam. See http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/midd... for map and scale. Also, I'm sure the chess tournament on base was nothing like a "night in Bankok."
In any event this is a nice combination, and it's good to see you occasionally selecting games from amateur enthusiasts such as Mr. Bill Wall.
|Sep-14-04|| ||refutor: <patzer2> "one night in bangkok" was from the musical "chess" |
|Sep-14-04|| ||patzer2: <refutor> Thanks for the information on the musical "Chess." The lyrics might be an apt description of the nightlife in Bangkok in the 1970's.|
I was stationed in the Air Force Taiwan and the Phillipines in 1973, and only visited Bangkok once while on leave with my wife (and we did not experience the nightlife). However, we found the country's sites delightful and the people friendly and helpful.
|Sep-14-04|| ||kingbj: 13...♖xh6 was an excellent piece of work. I would have to give the move two !!'s. |
|Sep-14-04|| ||Knight13: 9. Bh7+! hurts. |
|Sep-14-04|| ||Calculoso: Rf6... wow. That is a great and unexpected move. |
|Sep-15-04|| ||patzer2: <Kingbj> Before you give 13. Rxh6 a (!!), you might want to read some of the previous posts. Turns out 12. Rf6?? to set up 13. Rxh6 should have lost to 12...Be4! (as noted above by <Honza Cervenka>) and 13. Rxh6 was made possible only because of 12...Kg8?? |
I don't think I've ever seen a (!!) brilliant move awarded by a GM analyst immediately following a (??) blunder. However, that is not to say that after 12...Kg8?? that Wall's 13. Rxh6 is not a good winning move. If I were to give one potential move the (!!), I would consider the 12. Bxh6!! that Wall should have played (as pointed out by <clocked>).
|Sep-15-04|| ||clocked: <patzer2> before you jump on <kingbj> you might want to read some of the previous posts yourself ;-) <Honza Cervenka> was NOT giving a refutation line; he was answering <An Englishman>'s question. The "main" line was given by <smokedinone>. I think if you look at this line, you may change your evaluation of 12.Rf6 as a (??) move. |
|Sep-15-04|| ||patzer2: Good points! I did overlook that Honza's post was explaining how 12...Be4! 13.Bxh6? (13. Rxh6!? ) Bg6 14.Qh4 loses to 14...gxh6! - + And although I looked at <smokedinone>'s line , I under estimated the counterplay it gives White in fighting for a draw. However, all that being said, I still think 12. Rf6? is a blunder (or at least a weak move) because (1) it misses your much stronger 12. Bxh6! with some winning chances, (2) it gives Black strong winning chances after 12...Be4! , and (3) after missing 12. Bxh6! it is at best fighting for a draw or a swindle. |
<Kingbj> My apologies if I sounded like I was jumping on your post. It's just that I have difficulty labeling a move as strong, when it is preceeded by a weak move. And as <clocked> correctly noted, I need to look a little closer at the previous posts myself.
|Sep-15-04|| ||patzer2: I took the time to analyze <cooked>'s 12. Bxh6! line with Fritz 8 and the program calculates a potential winning advantage for White after 12. Bxh6 gxh6 13. Rf6 Qxf6 14. exf6 Be4 15. h4 Bg6 16. Qf3 d5 17. Re1 Nd7 18. h5 Bxc2 19. Re7 Be4 20. Rxe4 dxe4 21. Qxe4+ Kh8 22. Qf4 Nxf6 23. Qxf6+ Kh7 24. Qf5+ Kg8 25. Qg4+ Kh7 26. Qe4+ Kg8 27. Qf4 c5 28. Qxh6 Rae8 29. Qg5+ Kh7 30. Qf5+ Kg8 31. Qg4+ Kh8 32. Qd7 Kg7 33. Qxa7 (+1.56 @ 15 depth & 1319 Kn/s).|
I admit I'm always a little suspicious of long and complex analysis. Yet, with accurate play, it appears Wall's 9. Bxh7+! might well lead to a win for White following <clocked>'s 12. Bxh6! followup.
|Nov-15-04|| ||dac1990: I found a website with an actual MP3 clip of the song "One Night In Bangkok"|
|Mar-26-09|| ||WhiteRook48: down by the brooks|
|Mar-26-09|| ||MaxxLange: Alekhine's Block combined with the Classic Bishop Sac - nice tactics|
I'm pleased to hear that the computer can't refute it
|Nov-23-11|| ||HeMateMe: All in all, it was just another Brooke in the Wall.
Sharp play by white, a decisive Kings Gambit declined, a win for white.
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