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A Hordynski vs Wronicz
Warsaw (1975)
King's Gambit: Falkbeer Countergambit. Charousek Gambit Accepted (C32)  ·  1-0



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Jun-13-11  The HeavenSmile: 15...b5 played right into whites hands, giving up a tempo as white was planning Be6 anyway. Lovely stuff!
Jun-13-11  k.khalil: Kings gambit is rarely seen at the top level nowadays. I remember Nigel Short tried it in London classics last year, but other than that, it's rarely played.
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  doubledrooks: 18. Ng6+ hxg6 19. Rh3#.

<dzechiel>: Glad to see you're posting again.

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  kevin86: Can this qualify as a queen sac,since he does not recapture? Instead,he applies a deadly intermezzo mate in two-by sacrificing an additional knight to force the h-file open. Then the rook mates.
Jun-13-11  sfm: <David2009: ... can Black turn the tables with 16..,Rxf4?>

YES, he can!
At least I had no chance as White on your Crafty link. So surprisingly the "smart" 16.Be6? is a losing move! At least against Crafty 16.Bd3 instead was a comfortable win:

(20.-,RxP 21.Nf7+,Kg8 22.Re8,KxN 23.RxB looks unbearable.) 21.g3,Nd7
Crafty gives a pawn to get his hopeless queenside resolved. 22.NxP,Bb7
White has two pawns more, and nothing to be sorry about.

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  Once: <"Fell? Oh com'n kids, cant a man these days have his own style of dismounting"?>

Now that gave me a belly chuckle like no other! Very well put, sir!

Jun-13-11  reztap: EASY BUT NICE. i ALSO LOVE MONDAYS.
Jun-13-11  sevenseaman: <David2009:<After 16 Be6 threatening mate in two, can Black turn the tables with 16...Rxf4? >

There is no win for White but he can extract a draw. I played Crafty vs an old hardware and the game came to a perpetual by White after about 20 moves.

Jun-13-11  Noflaps: Isn't 1975 a little late in the century for the player with black to have actually played that game out to a mate? One would think that the last knight check would have given an adequate peak into the future. :)
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  scormus: <David> nice puzzle! I couldnt win it for W, but I sure could lose it by trying to win.
Jun-13-11  MaczynskiPratten: Welcome back <dzechiel>. I wonder if your 64 minute race to the Leaning Tower of Pisa was anything like mine many years ago when I was Interrailing (=Eurailing) and had 1 hour between trains to get there and back from Pisa station with a large rucksack, and climb it. I made it, just (with a quick glance around the cathedral too). The things we do when we're young!
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  scormus: <Dzechiel> Welome back. Glad you survived Pisa. One of my friends is from there, I'll have to ask her about the 64 minute challenge!
Jun-13-11  Jim Bartle: Similar theme in a little more complex way:

Karpov vs Taimanov, 1977

Jun-13-11  MiCrooks: Be6 does not lose, in fact it is still winning or at least no worse, but White does have to be very careful against accurate play by Black.

After Rxf4 Rxe3 is the only move that secures an advantage, though it looks as if Ng6+ is still equal-ish but I didn't play through that variation in any detail. After all of the smoke clears the position trades down into one in which White eventually wins the c6 pawn and a tough endgame ensues. White's passed c-pawn (in the variation I played) gives him enough to at least hope for a victory. Certainly not losing.

Jun-13-11  MiCrooks: Suppose I should post at least the start of the variation...

After Be6 Rxf4 Rxe3 the crafty trainer plays as follows Bxe6 Qxe6 Na6 c3 Qd8 Re2 Qf6 Qxf6 Rxf6 Bg5 Rf5 g4 Rf8 Nxc6 b4 Rd1 bxc3 bxc3.

So in this position White is up a passed isolated c-pawn which he can hold onto. He also has better pieces so overall this is certainly a favorable White position if not a necessarily a winning one yet. Certainly can't say Be6 loses for White.

Jun-13-11  lostlink: Welcome back <dzechiel>. The site it not the same without your posts.
Jun-13-11  stst: While both e6 & h3 are both imminent for capture by Bk, W just got one step ahead: 18.Ng6+ hxg6 (Bk has no other defense & there's nothing to take this N) 19.Rh3#
(Missed "insane" Sunday, for the Mavs made it "insane" Champ!! - heavy underdog prior to playoff started, was it really "insane??")
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  Once: <lostlink: Welcome back <dzechiel>. The site it not the same without your posts.>


Jun-13-11  David2009: A Hordynski vs Wronicz, 1975 postscript: <MiCrooks,sfm> Thanks - impressive analysis! I fell for the "sucker move" 17 Nf7+? instead of 17.Rxe3! <MiCrooks> and deservedly got crushed after 17...Rxf7 18 (either recapture probably loses but Rxf7 may be marginally better than Bxf7).

<sfm> So the natural 16 Be6 turns out to be worse than 16 Bd3. Fascinating!

Jun-13-11  M.Hassan: <sevenseaman: Chess is a wonderful game,it can bring out the best in thinking men, it can also make an ass of some>:

From your posts that I read often, the latter part of the sentence does not apply to you. Just consider it an accident.

Jun-13-11  dzechiel: <MaczynskiPratten: Welcome back <dzechiel>. I wonder if your 64 minute race to the Leaning Tower of Pisa was anything like mine many years ago when I was Interrailing (=Eurailing) and had 1 hour between trains to get there and back from Pisa station with a large rucksack, and climb it. I made it, just (with a quick glance around the cathedral too). The things we do when we're young!>

Very similar. The train got in at 3:28p, and the next train left at 4:32p, which we HAD to make. Used the buses to get to and from the Field of Miracles. Managed to get back to the platform with four minutes to spare. Ah, the things we do when we're 58 years old.

Jun-13-11  MaczynskiPratten: <dzechiel> Nice stuff! I trusted my legs more than Italian buses in those days - but I think that now, a quarter century later, I'd be more inclined to use your method! Hope you had as good a time as I did.
Jun-13-11  wals: Rybka 4 x 64

Working backwards.
Black checkmated 19.Rh3#

17...Qxb3, +#2. Game over, only alternative, Qe4, +6.92. Shortfall, ? 33.

16...Qb4, +6.92. Best, Rxf4, 0.84.
Shortfall, 6.08.

16.Be6, +0.84. Best, Bxe3, +2.25.
Shortfall, 1.41.

15...b5, +2.25. Best, Rxf4, +1.02.
Shortfall, 1.23.

14...e3, +1.02. Best, Na6, +0.30.
Shortfall, 0.72.

13...c6, =0.18. Best, Nc6, -1.27.
Shortfall, 1.09.

12.Bc4+, -1.27. Best, Qc4+, = 0.11.
Shortfall, 1.38.

3...e4, +0.47. Best, exf4, -0.03.
Shortfall, 0.50

2.f4, -0.39. Best, Nf3, =0.15.
Shortfall, 0.54.

total: Black, 9.62. White, 3.33.

Net Black, 6.29, Rybka rating move 16...+6.92.

Jun-13-11  WhiteRook48: 18 Ng6+ duh
Jun-13-11  sfm: <wals: Rybka ...>
Thank you for confirming that 13.-,Nc6 is the strongest move and that 14.-,e3 and 15.-,b5 are mistakes. Also thanks for correcting the rest. ;-)
Thanks also to other analytical minds.
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