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| Dec-03-16 | | newzild: In the final position, 19. c3 is forced. Play might continue: 19. c3 Qxd5+
20. Kc2 Re2+
21. Kb1
Black has a queen for rook and knight. I'm not sure what Black's next move should be, but 21...Bxc3 looks pretty good. |
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| Dec-03-16 | | johngalt5579: I like 13...Re8,14Be8,Qe8,15Qe2,Ba6. |
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| Dec-03-16 | | hcgflynn: How does black win after 17. Qd4? Interesting position. |
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| Dec-03-16 | | johngalt5579: Oh no! After 16Qe8,Re8 white king escapes to D file. Ba6 first must be better. |
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| Dec-03-16 | | johngalt5579: After 17Qd4 Bc5 looks pretty strong. I could be wrong I am just a neophyte. |
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| Dec-03-16 | | PhilFeeley: If white saves his queen on move 17, Bb4 is double-check, mate! |
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| Dec-03-16 | | gofer: Hmmm, I didn't play Ba6 immediately, so I get "Null Point" again. Instead I went for... 13 ... Re8+
14 Bxe8 Qxe8+
15 Qe2 Ba6!
16 Qxe8+ Rxe8+
17 Kd1 Ne3+
18 Bxe3 fxe3
19 Re1 e2+
20 Kc1 Bf4+
21 Kb1 Be3
22 Ka2 Bf2 
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| Dec-03-16 | | wtpy: Ba3 or Ba6 depending on whether i have white or black is one of my favorite moves to play against an uncastled king, so saw this one quickly. |
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| Dec-03-16 | | WorstPlayerEver: Let's say it's a very open position.. |
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| Dec-03-16 | | RandomVisitor: Komodo doesn't see 14...Re8+ as being any better than 14...Qe7+, and so it scores 13...Nf6 as being better. |
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| Dec-03-16 | | RandomVisitor: Komodo takes 29 minutes to get the puzzle with the continuation 14...Re8+
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<-2.63/31 13...Ba6 14.Qxd5 Re8+> 15.Kd2 Bc4 16.Qd4 Qa5+ 17.c3 Re2+ 18.Kd1 Qa6 19.Nd2 Qxc6 20.Nxc4 Rxg2 21.Bd2 Bc5 22.Qd3 Rxd2+ 23.Nxd2 Qxh1+ 24.Nf1 Qg2 25.Nd2 Qg1+ 26.Nf1 Re8 27.Kc2 Qf2+ 28.Nd2 Bb6 29.Qf3 Qxh2 30.Rh1 Qg3 31.Qc6 Qe3 32.Kb1 Qe2 33.Nf3 Bf2 34.Ka2 h6 35.Qd5 Rb8 36.Rb1 Qe6 37.Qxe6 fxe6 38.Rh1 Be3 39.Ne5 Rb5 -1.96/31 13...Nf6 14.0-0 Qb6+ 15.Nd4 Bg4 16.Qd3 Be5 17.Bxa8 Qxd4+ 18.Kh1 Rxa8 19.Bxf4 Qxd3 20.cxd3 Bxb2 21.Rab1 Bd4 22.h3 Bd7 23.Rb7 Bc6 24.Rc7 Bd5 25.Rfc1 Be6 26.Rb7 h6 27.Bh2 Be3 28.Re1 Bd5 29.Rc7 Bb6 30.Rcc1 Be6 31.Bg1 Rd8 32.Bxb6 -1.04/31 13...Qe7+ 14.Qe2 Qxe2+ 15.Kxe2 Ba6+ 16.Ke1 Rad8 17.Bd2 Bc7 18.a4 h6 19.b4 Ne7 20.Bb5 Bb7 21.Bd3 g5 22.h3 Rfe8 23.Kf1 Nf5 24.Bxf5 Bxf3 25.gxf3 Rxd2 26.c4 Re5 27.Be4 f5 28.Bd5+ Kg7 29.Re1 Rxe1+ 30.Kxe1 Rb2 31.Rf1 Rxb4 32.Kd2 Rxa4 33.Kc2 Be5 34.Kb3 Ra6 35.Re1 |
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| Dec-03-16 | | mel gibson: Whites move 17 should have been
17 Q-d4. score = -2.49
Why did white move
17 Bxa8? score = -9.78
White throws away his queen for nothing! |
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| Dec-03-16 | | scholes: this puzzle is very tough for engines |
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| Dec-03-16 | | Helloween: <hcgflynn> 17.Qd4 Bc5 simply crushing |
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Dec-03-16
 | | catlover: This one was way out of my league.
<You Rang> When I went over the game with Stockfish, the engine suggested 13...Nf6 and considered black better -(1.97). Maybe in this position there is more than one way to skin a...well, a furry animal. |
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| Dec-03-16 | | Ian McGarrett: <hcgflynn: How does black win after 17. Qd4?>
After 17.Qd4, Be5 looks to be the move. It prevents the white king from escaping to c3 after the exchange of queens. |
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| Dec-03-16 | | RandomVisitor: A deeper run:
click for larger viewKomodo-10.1-64bit:
<-2.85/36 13...Ba6 14.Qxd5 Re8+ 15.Kd1 Be2+ 16.Kd2 Bc4 17.Qd4 Qa5+> 18.c3 Re2+ 19.Kd1 Qa6 20.Nd2 Qxc6 21.Nxc4 Rxg2 22.Bd2 Bc5 23.Qd3 Rxd2+ 24.Nxd2 Qxh1+ 25.Nf1 Re8 26.Kc2 f3 27.Rd1 Qg2+ 28.Kc1 Bb6 29.Qd5 Bc7 30.Qc4 Bb8 31.Nd2 f2 32.Qb5 Rd8 33.Qa5 Rf8 34.Qf5 Bxh2 35.Qe4 Qg5 36.Kc2 Bf4 37.Nf1 h5 38.Rd3 h4 39.Qd4 Bg3 40.Qxa7 Re8 41.Qd7 Re1 42.Qd8+ Qxd8 |
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Dec-03-16
 | | beenthere240: I loved 13...Ba6 because it punishes White for not taking the time to castle. After that move the white king is toast. |
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Dec-03-16
 | | agb2002: The material is identical.
White threatens Bxa8, Bxd5 and Qxd5.
Black can start an attack against the uncastled king with Qe7+, Re8+ or Ba6. In the case of 13... Ba6: A) 14.Bxa8 Qe7+ 15.Kf2 (15.Kd2 Qe3# and the interpositions just delay mate) 15... Bc5+ 16.Nd4 Bxd4+ 17.Qxd4 Qe2+ 18.Kg1 Qf1#. B) 14.Bxd5 Qe7+ 15.Ne5 (else as above) 15... Qxe5+ 16.Kf2 Bc5+ 17.Kf3 Be2+ 18.Qxe2 Qh5+ 19.g4 fxg3+ 29.Kxg3 Qxe2 wins. C) 14.Qxd5 Re8+
C.1) 15.Bxe8 Qxe8+
C.1.a) 16.Kd1 Qe2#.
C.1.b) 16.Kd2 Qe3+ 17.Kd1 Qe2#.
C.1.c) 16.Kf2 Qe2+ 17.Kg1 Qe(f)1#.
C.1.d) 16.Ne5 Bxe5 with the threats Bxb2+, Bc3+, Rd8, etc. looks winning for Black in spite of being one exchange down. For example, 16.Kf2 (16.Qe4 Bc3+ wins) 16... Bd4+ 17.Kf3 (17.Qxd4 Qe2+ 18.Kg1 Qe(f)1#) 17... Qe2+ 18.Kxf4 Qf2 19.Qf3 (19.Ke4 Re8+; 19.Kg5 Bf6+; 19.Kg4 Bc8+ all winning quickly) 19... Qh4+ 20.g4 (20.Kf5 Bc8#; 20.Qg4 g4+ followed by Bc8+ or Bb7+ wins the queen) 20... g5+ 21.Kf5 (21.Ke4 Bb7+) 21... Bc8+ 22.Ke4 Bb7+ wins. C.2) 15.Kf2 Re2+ 16.Kg1 (16.Kf1 Re5+ 17.Kf2 Rxd5 18.Bxd5 Bc5+ 19.Ke1 Qxd5 wins) 16... Bc5+ 17.Nd4 (17.Qxc5 Qd1+ 18.Ne1 Qxe1#) 17... Bxd4+ 18.Kf1 Re5+ wins. C.3) 15.Kd1 Be2+ 16.Kd2 (16.Ke1 Bxf3+ wins) 16... Bc4 17.Qd4 (17.Qxc4 Bb4#) 17... Qa5+ looks winning. For example, 18.b4 bxb4+ 19.axb4 Qxb4+ 20.Qc3 (20.c3 Re2+ 21.Kd1 Qb3#) 20... Re2+ 21.Kd1 Qxc3 22.Bxa8 Qxc2#. C.4) 15.Kd2 Qb6 looks very good for Black. For example, 16.Re1 (16.Qxd6 or 16.Bxa(e)8 Qe3+ 17.Kd1 Qe2#) 16... Rxe1 17.Kxe1 (17.Nxe1 Qe3+ 18.Kd1 Qe2#) 17... Rd8 18.b4 Be7 19.Qe4 Bh4+ 20.g3 (20.Nxh4 Qg1#) 20... fxg3 21.Qxh4 (21.hxg3 Bxg3#) 21... Qf2#. -----
In the case of 13... Re8+ 14.Bxe8 Qxe8+ 15.Qe2 Qc6 16.Nd4 followed by O-O. -----
I'm not sure but I'd play 13... Ba6. |
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| Dec-03-16 | | Moszkowski012273: Yeah both 13...Ba6 and 13...Nf6 look strong. Looks like 11.Nxb5... or simply 11.Bb3... and white is doing fine. 13.c4 is met with 13...Bb7 |
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| Dec-03-16 | | morfishine: Been there, done that
Multiple moves win...............Yawn
***** |
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Dec-03-16
| | beenthere240: A good example of why GMs don't routinely play the KG. 2. d5 is a major pain, Fischer's 3....d6 "bust" not withstanding. Probably good for bullet. |
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| Dec-03-16 | | patzer2: Like <Alice Knight> I could not resist going for the exchange sacrifice 13...Re8+ for my attempt at solving today's Saturday (13...?) puzzle. However, 13...Re8+ appears to fall short. Black gets a slight advantage but no clear win after 13... Re8+ 14. Bxe8 Qxe8+ 15. Qe2 Qc6 16. c4 Nf6 17. O-O  (-0.38 @ 21 depth, Deep Fritz 15). To gain a clear winning advantage, Black must play either 13...Nf6 (-1.78 @ 27 depth, Stockfish 7) or 13...Ba6 (-2.62 @ 26 depth, Deep Fritz 13). Here's my analysis of the game continuation with Deep Fritz 15: <13. Bc6 Ba6!> A winning alternative is 13... Nf6 14. Bxa8 (14. c4 Qc7 15. Bxa8 Re8+ 16. Kf2 Ng4+ 17. Kf1 Qxc4+ 18. Kg1 Bc5+ 19. Nd4 Bxd4+ 20. Qxd4 Re1#) 14... Re8+ (-3.59 @ 20 depth, Deep Fritz 15) <14.Qxd5>
Weaker is 14. Bxa8? Re8+ when play might continue 15. Kf2 Bc5+ 16. Nd4 Bxd4+ 17. Qxd4 Qh4+ 18. g3 Re2+ 19. Kg1 f3 20. Qxh4 Rg2# <14... Re8+ 15. Kd1> No better for white is 15. Kd2 Bc4 16. Qd4 Qa5+ 17. b4 Bxb4+
18. axb4 Qxb4+ 19. c3 Re2+ 20. Kd1 Qb3#
<15... Be2+ 16. Kd2 Bc4 17. Bxa8> White can put more resistance with 17. Qd4, but is still lost after 17...Qa5+ 18. b4 Bxb4+ 19. c3 Bxc3+ 20. Qxc3 Re2+ 21. Kd1 Qxc3 (#6, Deep Fritz 15 @ 22 depth) <17... Bxd5 18. Bxd5 Bb4+ 0-1> White resigns in lieu of 19. c3 Qxd5+ 20. Kc2 Qe4+ 21. Kb3 Bxc3 22. bxc3 Rb8+ 23. Ka2 Qc4#. P.S.: For an improvement, White should forgo 11. Bxd5? allowing 11...Nbxd5 12. Nxd5 Nxd5  (-1.03 @ 26 depth, Komodo 10.1). Instead, 11. Bb3 Na6 12. 0-0 = (-0.07 @ 30 depth, Stockfish 8) holds it about level. Earlier, instead of 8. d5, the Opening Explorer indicates White has had more success with 8. Bc4 = (0.00 @ 30 depth, Komodo 8) or 8. Ne4 = (0.16 @ 33 depth, Stockfish 7). |
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| Dec-11-16 | | hcgflynn: <johngalt5579: After 17Qd4 Bc5 looks pretty strong. I could be wrong I am just a neophyte.> 17. Qd4 Bc5 18. Qxd8 Rexd8+ 19. Kc3 Rac8 20. Kxc4 Rxc6 21. Kb3. I think white escapes. |
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Jan-29-23
 | | Messiah: <perfidious: Another POTD featuring two opponents I faced, both in the early 1990s.> I list everyone who is interested in your stories: |
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sac: 13...Ba6