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Robert James Fischer vs Viktor Korchnoi
Rovinj/Zagreb (1970), Rovinj/Zagreb YUG, rd 16, May-04
Sicilian Defense: Fischer-Sozin Attack. Leonhardt Variation (B88)  ·  1/2-1/2

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May-14-15
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  Sally Simpson: Hi disasterion,

Thanks I suspected as much yet the human as Black set a nasty plausible trap with Rg8. Offering a free Rook with the skewer Qa8+

Computers are great at tactics and spotting shots very deep. However if there is the slightest (no matter how slight) flaw. It's rejected.

They do not know how to play a bad position. They just give up.

More here.

W So vs S Megaranto, 2008

May-15-15  Howard: Still say that the outcome of Fischer-Korchnoi, 1971 or of Fischer-Korchnoi, 1975 would not have been a foregone conclusion, despite the earlier point of Petrosian's losing to Fischer by a whooping four points.
May-15-15
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  diceman: There's no measurable metric by which anyone beats Fischer by 1972.

Fischer was Carlsen sans tie-breaks.

May-15-15
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  diceman: <RookFile: Keypusher continues to impress by demonstrating he is aware of what the question is.>

<Petrosianic:> probably knows what the question is, and just doesn't like it.

When it's required you make Fischer lose, it's best you make him not show up, vs. critiquing his "weak" play.

May-15-15  Petrosianic: <(In particular, for the first time in his life, he'd stopped working on the game.) Pretending he could somehow have been dragged to the board, no one knows how well he would have played, which is why predicting these imaginary matches is a waste of time.>

Not entirely a waste, but a question about a fictitious person who never existed (i.e. a Fischer who didn't stop studying chess in 1972). There have been so many historical "What If" scenarios over the years, that we can't object to that one. It only becomes pointless when we confuse the fictional person with the real one.

<No one on this page said anything so simple-minded as that. You are making yourself look like a fool.>

He's not doing it deliberately.

May-15-15  RookFile: Fischer went from 1800 to US champ in 18 months. Is it a big deal that he took some time off from the game? The simple answer is: No.
May-15-15  A.T PhoneHome: Fischer made his decision after the match in 1972. He stopped practicing and playing altogether and no one can be blamed for that; the only person who wasn't ready to compromise was Fischer himself.

People should consider that when Fischer made the voluntary choice to quit chess after 1972, the one thing in the world he loved and was so good at...

THAT decision too may have taken serious willpower from Fischer just like focusing on perfecting his chess did. I think he DID want to play more, but he also saw the detrimental side of continuing to do so.

May-15-15
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  perfidious: The very idea of compromise was anathema to Fischer, as was the idea of facing life in chess after achieving his cherished goal, because there was nowhere to go but down, having reached the top of Mt Olympus.
May-15-15  A.T PhoneHome: Indeed, we all have that one thing in life we want to do before we die and for Fischer it was the World Chess Championship.

After that he conjectured that there was nothing left to prove and to him, of course, it made perfect sense; him reaching what he had wanted all along fulfilled the purpose.

After that the incentive was gone.

Jun-04-16  ewan14: Geoff , sorry Sally , what happens after white wins the rook on g8 ?

Thanks

Tommy

Jun-04-16
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  Sally Simpson: Hi Ewan,

The position and what happens if WHite takes the Rook is here:

W So vs S Megaranto, 2008 (kibitz #2)

Jun-05-16  ewan14: Nice , thanks Geoff
Mar-22-17  The Boomerang: "There's no measurable metric by which anyone beats Fischer by 1972. Fischer was Carlsen sans tie-breaks."

Fischer Fever is strong with this one..

Aug-17-17  ewan14: Spassky could have beaten him if he had got his act together , and Fischer was not being a pain in the neck
Feb-26-18  Allanur: According to Victor Korchnoi's book chess is my life, Fischer told Korchnoi after the game that he was playing for a draw. According to the book, had Korchnoi been able to defeat Fischer and the remaning two games he could have catched Fischer for the first place. Fischer drew this game, then lost to Kovacevic but finished the tournament on top. Also, according to the book, Fischer was very frank with Korchnoi and they occasionally conversed and discussed chess events.
Feb-26-18
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  keypusher: <Allanur: According to Victor Korchnoi's book chess is my life, Fischer told Korchnoi after the game that he was playing for a draw. According to the book, had Korchnoi been able to defeat Fischer and the remaning two games he could have catched Fischer for the first place. Fischer drew this game, then lost to Kovacevic but finished the tournament on top. Also, according to the book, Fischer was very frank with Korchnoi and they occasionally conversed and discussed chess events.>

Assuming they've got the order right, this game took place in the next-to-last round. Fischer would have had 12 points and Korchnoi had 9.5. Fischer's loss to Kovacevic had taken place in Round 8.

It doesn't look as if Fischer is playing for a draw from the beginning, but at some point he may have decided a draw was the best he could do.

Feb-26-18  Allanur: @keypusher, <Assuming they've got the order right, this game took place in the next-to-last round. Fischer would have had 12 points and Korchnoi had 9.5. Fischer's loss to Kovacevic had taken place in Round 8.

It doesn't look as if Fischer is playing for a draw from the beginning, but at some point he may have decided a draw was the best he could do.>

If so, I must have misrecalled it. I should check the book again.

Checking now. Page 70.

"I recall the finish of the tournament. I was fighting for second place and there was possibility that I could catch Fischer. Only to do this I had first to beat him and then to win my two remaining games."

Now, where is the confusion? If any, I realized I did not retell correctly. When Korchnoi told about Fischer's loss, he tells this event as "During the tournament..." Not as "after our draw" though Korchnoi says that the game between Fischer and Kovacevic was postponed and being played in a free day.

Korchnoi goes on to say he lost to Bertok after he drew Fischer and as a result he took second place (shared with Gligoric, Smyslov and Hort. All were two points behind the American.

About Fischer's intentions not resembling to be a draw from the beginning Korchoi says "This admission surprised me; in a Sicilian he, as usual, developed his bishop at c4, aiming for attacking position but, no attacked resulted and Black gained a very slightly superior endgame."

Feb-26-18  4tmac: Maybe that wild Browne-Fischer game was not finished yet. If Bobby loses that his standing might be in doubt? .... but not sure
Feb-26-18
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  keypusher: <Korchnoi goes on to say he lost to Bertok after he drew Fischer and as a result he took second place (shared with Gligoric, Smyslov and Hort. All were two points behind the American.>

That seems to be the difference -- chessgames has Bertok-Korchnoi (and Browne-Fischer) on May 3, and the Fischer-Korchnoi game starting on May 4. So it seems to have a different order than Korchnoi.

Also, 4tmac is surely correct that Browne-Fischer hadn't finished when Fischer-Korchnoi began. That would mean that Fischer's score going into the Korchnoi game (assuming cg is right and Korchnoi is wrong about the order in which games were played) was not 12 as I said, but 11.5 with a probably lost adjournment.

Apr-10-20  Ulhumbrus: Throughout the endgame Fischer's queen side pawn majority did not advance at all while in the end Korchnoi's central pawn majority advanced only as far as the frontier. This suggests the question of why. One example of an answer is that neither player found a way to turn his pawn majority into a weapon.
Apr-10-20  SChesshevsky: <...Fischer's queen side pawn majority did not advance at all...suggests the question of why...>

Probably after 21...d5 black has thematically at least equalized. Plus looks like it makes white Bb3 ugly especially compared to blacks B and with black control of a-file.

After queens come off, white does at least get rooks connected but doesn't appear any real targets and is still stuck with awkward B hindering pawn advance with well placed black rooks.

Once pair of rooks come off, blacks better B and R and K, plus advanced passed d pawn, probably more than compensate for the lagging white connected passed pawns. But opposite color B's probably equalize.

Maybe at some point white could've tried to stick a rook behind a pawn, get his B out of the way and try to push. But pretty passive place for a rook, would take some time, and even kind of tricky with blacks B. Possibly could turn out worse.

Korchnoi might have pressed it at the end but if neither wanted to win at all cost why take the chance? Wonder who offered the draw? Guessing it was Korchnoi.

Apr-10-20  Ulhumbrus: <SChesshevsky> After 30...Rab5 Fischer may have found no way to free his b pawn to advance, as a move by the White KB would lose it. Korchnoi may have played his bishop to the long diagonal for just that purpose, to prevent White's KB from moving and so freeing the b pawn to move. Perhaps either player managed to prevent the advance of his opponent's pawn majority
Apr-10-20
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  AylerKupp: <SChesshevsky> Wonder who offered the draw? Guessing it was Korchnoi.>

Unless the game score is wrong the last move 62.f3 was made by Fischer. And per the FIDE Laws of Chess the procedure for offering a draw is (1) make a move, (2) offer a draw, (3) press your clock. So, if the draw offer procedure was followed, the draw offer should have come from Fischer. However, again per the FIDE Rules of Chess, "If a player deviates from this order, the offer still stands though it has been offered in an incorrect manner." However, in that case the arbiter is supposed to penalize the player who deviated from the specified draw offer procedure.

Apr-10-20  SChesshevsky: <...FIDE Laws of Chess the procedure for offering a draw...>

Think I've broken this law mostly or even exclusively. Offering draw on my move but prior to actually moving piece.

Few times opponent asked me to make move first but not that often. Mostly decline or accept. I've never been penalized but maybe just lucky.

For this game, imagining similar draw offer to a Korchnoi - Ivkov rapid seniors video on YouTube where both players know Korchnoi was better but at end he has to grudgingly accept no win with disgusted mutter "draw". Guy never ceased to be entertaining.

Apr-11-20  ewan14: Fischer manages to get a draw with white against the mighty Korchnoi !
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