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Vladimir Kramnik vs Alexey Shirov
"Modern Dance" (game of the day Jun-22-2007)
Melody Amber Rapid 4th (1995) (rapid), Monte Carlo MNC, rd 6, Apr-03
Modern Defense: King Pawn Fianchetto (B06)  ·  0-1



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Jun-22-07  Wolfgang01: The pair of bishops looks very helpless. None of them has an anchor, to get covered by a pawn. Great game by Alexey.
Jun-22-07  Jim Bartle: Since this was played in Monaco, I assume it was a rapid game...
Jun-22-07  BAG: The name "modern dance" reminded me of the dumb TV show "So you think you can dance" When will there be chess on TV instead of bingo?
Jun-22-07  whatthefat: What is the objective assessment of the position after Black's 36th move?
Jun-22-07  ikipemiko: Great game played by Shirov , i thought that the bishop pair handled by kramnik will be better against the rook but Alexey proved me wrong. Where was kramnik's mistake in this game?
Jun-22-07  Fezzik: This was a great game by Shirov. I wonder whether this was speed or blindfold (the Melody Amber Tournament is held in Monaco each year).

I think White's mistake was probably quite early in the game, and he tried to hold with the 2Bs vs R+pawns because that was the best he could get.

Jun-22-07  simontemplar44: A lovely game to view.
Jun-22-07  kellmano: <ikipemiko> I quite agree. That rook must've really annoyed Vlad.
Jun-22-07  who: <whatthefat> Fritz thinks white was better until 44.Kxa2? Instead 44.Kb3 with advantage.
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  Richard Taylor: That look right but it is my belief that neither Kramnik and Shirov are computers.
Jun-22-07  Manic: <Richard Taylor> True, and that would be a really hard move to find in such a position. I reckon 99% of us would take the pawn. Also, as pointed out, my guess is that this was a rapid game from Amber, so Kramnik wouldn't have had enough time to stop and assess carefully at this point.
Jun-22-07  Atking: Well I'm not sure this game was proper to show that Shirov overplayed Kramnik. It was quite the opposite. For example 27.Bf2 Qd2 28.Qxc5. What surprise me is Kramnik refrains himself to play f5 at move 19th for example. It seems to me that Kramnik tried to prove he could play in more original way by 19.a5!??. Shirov only took the opportunity offer. He didn't built it. Therefore not a great game but still a good one.
Jun-22-07  Hesam7: <kellmano: <ikipemiko> I quite agree. That rook must've really annoyed Vlad.>

Well the rook is the strongest piece.

Jun-22-07  suenteus po 147: <Hesam7> Not according to Topalov.
Jun-22-07  weisyschwarz: <Hesam7:
Well the rook is the strongest piece.>

<suenteus po 147: <Hesam7> Not according to Topalov.> And Aronian.

You're right, <suenteus po>. It's those blasted pawns that make all the difference, though.

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  kevin86: Kramnik looked like Ralph Kramden driving his bus up and down Madison Avenue-only not nearly so effecient. His inability to stop black from hoarding pawns and inability to stop the pawn horde from wrecking his game.

Two bishops to stop a rook and four pawns? You would need at least a cardinal to do that job. Too bad,the Cardinals were all in St. Louis that day.

Jun-22-07  MikeChesss: A rook and four pawns is about equal to a queen, not two bishops and definitely not a Cardinal ;)
Jun-22-07  Cactus: What are Topalev and Aronian's faverate pieces?
Jun-22-07  micartouse: <What are Topalev and Aronian's faverate pieces?> From Topalov's interview with Playboy:

Playboy: Which is your favorite piece on the board and why?

Topalov: All of them. They are just like my children, and I take care of them. I havenít got a favorite piece.

Jun-22-07  BlackNightmare: TO Atking:wow COULD YOU be any less fanboyish i didnt think so
Jun-22-07  cyruslaihy: Kramnik must have got cramps !

if there are more pawns on the board it would be better to have 2 bishops, since the bishops are masters of blocking files and restricting the power of the rook.

I once out played my opponent in a 2B+pawns vs R+N+pawns endgame because most of the pawns are still on the board

Jun-22-07  actionhero56: why 48...Rf2 why not 48...Rg3
Jun-22-07  beginner64: I like 38. Ke3, rather than 38. Be1 (the one played).

Could someone with Fritz care to analyze that please?

My idea would be to get the King and the white squares bishop block the pawn, while the black bishop and pawns maintain pawns on kingside.

Jun-22-07  beginner64: <actionhero56>why 48...Rf2 why not 48...Rg3</actionhero56>

That wouldn't work. Bishop would just move back to Bf1. Rook wants to block both f1 and g2 squares.

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  Domdaniel: "The Modern Dance", of course, was the 1978 debut album by Pere Ubu, closely followed by "Datapanik in the Year Zero". Pere Ubu took their name from Alfred Jarry - who, when he wasn't in a skiff, on a bicycle, writing anti-clerical satires or drinking himself to death, came up with some original theories of chess.

Though perhaps not as original as Shirov, the Chess Arsonist.

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