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Andre Lilienthal vs Viacheslav Ragozin
"Rags to Riches" (game of the day Apr-11-2010)
Moscow (1935), Moscow URS, rd 2, Feb-16
Nimzo-Indian Defense: Saemisch Variation. Accelerated (E24)  ·  0-1



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Apr-12-10  Jim Bartle: I haven't seen many games with a double exchange sacrifice. But here's one I like:

Granda-Zuniga vs Judit Polgar, 1992

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  LIFE Master AJ: The link - given by patzer2 (and others) is now incorrect. GeoCities ceased operations in Oct. of 2009.

The (new/correct) link is:

Sep-25-10  sevenseaman: In spite of the exchange sacrifices(daring and well considered)the game looks sedate till we come to the actual pawn push. Even there Ragozin is circumspect in not promoting prematurely, handing White a draw via the repeatable Q checks on f5 and f8.

AJ must have debated many candidates. Overall one has to concede this game merits a place in AJ's top 10, though I will say a Steinitz game should have been there.

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  LIFE Master AJ: Sorry! (Can't please everyone.)

See this link ... maybe you can find what you are looking for.

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  LIFE Master AJ: In terms of breadth and depth ... this still has to be one of the greatest master games I have ever looked at.)

The other is: Kasparov vs Topalov, 1999.

Oct-08-11  sicilianhugefun: This game is absolutely spectacular!!
It illustrates the principle that 2 connecting pawns on the 6th rank is stronger than a lone Rook
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  LIFE Master AJ: A few of my posts back - I give my web page for this game.
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  LIFE Master AJ:

My video on this chess game.

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  Penguincw: Wow. Even though in the final position black is down a full rook, the connected passed pawns are sufficent the turn 1-0 to 0-1.
Nov-01-13  kereru: Don't want to ruin anyone's favourite game for them, but that move 29.Bf5! does look pretty good. As pointed out by patzer, Black doesn't have time for 29...Bxf5 30.Nxf5 Ng6 (30...Rxc3? 31.Ra8 ) 31.Qg5 Rxc3, white gets a winning attack (check it with an engine). So black probably has to play 29...Bc6 when white has time to defend the c-pawn with 30.Ne2. Black may still be able to draw but it's not pleasant.

27...Rxe3! was still probably the best move.

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  OhioChessFan: Tricked me. I thought Ra1 had to be right and then clicked through the game. Surprise!
Apr-22-23  landshark: I chose 41.Ra1 too -
I suspect myself and <Ohio Chess Fan> might not be the only ones puzzled by today's puzzle... As I kept going thru the actual game, I kept wondering where the mysterious win was for White, as the longer it went the worse it looked - Then I read thru the kibitzes - found out that as of a decade ago the comps saw this as won for Black - Is this still true today?
Apr-22-23  jrredfield: I chose the text move 41 Re8+. I think either that move or 41 Ra1 should result in a draw. I'll have to analyze further to see where White let the draw slip away.
Apr-22-23  Brenin: 41 Ra1 Qd6 and only then 42 Re8+ Bxe8 43 Qxe8+ Kh7 44 Qxb5, giving White better drawing chances? Too hard for me.
Apr-22-23  jrredfield: 44 Qf5+ should maintain the draw instead of 44 Re1?? which allows 44 ... Nd6 45 Qh5+ Kg8 46 Qg6 c2 47 Qe6+ Kh7 48 Qe3 Qa5 49 Kh2 Qc7 50 Qxb3 Nf5+ 51 Kh1 c1=Q and Black should win easily.
Apr-22-23  King.Arthur.Brazil: Unless a check-mate is found, Black position seems winner. So, I tried 41. Re8+ Kh7 42. Qh4+ Kg6 43. Qg4+ (now, 43... Kh7?? 44. Qh5#, nor Kh6 44. Rh8#) Kf6 (is forced), so White tied the game by perpetual check at least, 45. Qf4+... Qg4+). In this position, 44. Re5 is not enough, since by means of 45... g6 Black King can escape: 45. Qg5+ Kg7 46. Re7 c2 47. Qe5+ Kg8 48. Re8+ Bxe8 49. Qxe8+ Kg7 50. Qe5+ Kg8 51. Qe8+ Qf8 ... etc.

However, Black can capture this ♖ directly, 41. Re8+ Bxe8 42. Qxe8+ Kh7 43. Qxf7 c2 (Now, 44. Re1 c1=Q, so White must use the checks to reach a perpetual one before Black ♙ get the crown). 44. Qh5+ Kg8 45. Qe8+ Qf8 46. Qe6+ Qf7 47. Qc8+ Kh7 48. Re1 Nc7 49. Qb7 Qf4... I guess there's no way for White to save this game, unless Black committed some error. I believe the game continued like this.

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  An Englishman: Good Evening: Already knew this one--my earlier post still remains visible on this page--but the key to this puzzle consists of realizing that White *can't* win and must seek the half-point.

All of which makes me wonder if Black could have improved earlier. Next task for the silicon monsters: did Black throw away a win before White's 41st move?

Apr-22-23  King.Arthur.Brazil: In the fishouse analysis, 52. f4 is quicker: 52... Qf6 53. Rc1 Qfxd4 54. Qxc2+ Qxc2 55. Rxc2 Qd1+ 56. Kh2 Qxc2 end.

Maybe, White has to take his chances too, with 35. Rxc4 dxc4 36. d5 Bb5 37. dxe6 c3 38. exf7+ Kxf7 39. Qf4+... maybe the perspectives were best here.

Apr-22-23  mel gibson: Stockfish 15 chose the same ply as me 41. Ra1
but I thought wrongly I could win it.
It was deceptive.
Black had the back rank safe and the 2 passed pawns were strong but not enough to win.

41. Ra1

(41. Ra1 (Rd1-a1 Qa3-d6 Re7-e8+ Kg8-h7 Re8-e3 b3-b2 Ra1-b1 Qd6-g6 Qe1-h4+ Kh7-g8 Qh4-d8+ Kg8-h7) 0.00/62 128)

score = draw in 6 moves.

Forcing SF to play the chosen ply:

41. Re8+ Bxe8

(41. .. Bxe8 (Bc6xe8 Qe1xe8+ Kg8-h7 Qe8xf7 Qa3-a8 Qf7-f5+ Kh7-h8 Rd1-e1 Nb5-d6 Qf5-d3 Qa8-c8 Qd3-g6 c3-c2 Qg6-h5+ Kh8-g8 Qh5xd5+ Nd6-f7 Qd5xb3 c2-c1Q Re1xc1 Qc8xc1+ Kh1-h2 Qc1-f4+ g2-g3 Qf4-d2+ Kh2-g1 Qd2xd4+ Kg1-g2 Qd4-d2+ Kg2-f1 Kg8-f8 Qb3-a3+ Kf8-e8 Qa3-a4+ Ke8-e7 Qa4-a7+ Ke7-f6 Qa7-b6+ Nf7-d6 h3-h4 Kf6-g6 Qb6-c6 Kg6-h7 g3-g4 Qd2-f4 Qc6-d5 Nd6-f7 Qd5-h5+ Kh7-g8 Kf1-g2 Qf4-d2+ Kg2-h3 Qd2-d3 Kh3-g2) 0.00/71 349)

score = a draw depth 71.

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  scormus: Best I could find was the <jrredfield> line, with 44 Qf5+, but couldn't convince myself W could force the draw. Have to agree with <Brenin>, 41 Ra1 first would be a better chance but I still don't know if it works.
Apr-22-23  Mayankk: I had no clue.

I thought the answer was to the tune of 41 Re8+ Bxe8 42 Qxe8+ Kh7 43 Qxb5 c2 44 Qd3+ g6 etc.

Where the White Rook will sacrifice itself to stop the two pawns and White can clinch a draw.

But the two passed pawns are far too strong, making 43 Qxb5 a mistake.

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  Dohboy: So, it's white to play and lose?
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  chrisowen: I muffle bow its q puzzle you Re8 gob Ra1 fab axiom jig cert its ha abluff frazzled its fib ablush its latch its a duck nack Re8 cap Ra1 bot;
Apr-22-23  agb2002: White has two rooks for a bishop, a knight and a pawn.

Black threatens b2 and c2.

A quick scan yields lines like 41.Re8+ Kh7 42.Qh4+ Kg6 43.g4 Bxe8 (or 43... c2) 44.Qh5+ Kf6 45.Qe5+ Kg6 46.Qf5+ Kh6 47.Qh5#.

Or 41... Bxe8 42.Qxe8+ Kh7 43.Qxf7 (43.Qxb5 c2 looks bad for White) 43... c2 44.Qh5+ Kg8 45.Qxd5+ Kf8 46.Qd8+ Kf7 47.Qd5+ Kf6 48.Qe5+ with perpetual at least.


Another option is 41.Ra1:

A) 41... Qb2 42.Ra8+

A.1) 42... Kh7 43.Qh4+ Kg6 44.Qg4+ Kf6 45.Re6+ fxe6 46.Rf8+ Ke7 47.Qxg7+ Kd6 48.Rd8+ Bd7 49.Qxd7#.

A.2) 42... Bxa8 43.Re8+ Kh7 44.Qh4+ Kg6 (44... Kh7 45.Qh5#; 44... Kh6 45.Rh8#) 45.Qg4+ Kf6 46.Qf4+ (to avoid Qc1+ with tempo) 46... Kg6 47.Re5

A.2.a) 47... f6 48.Qf5+ Kf7 (48... Kh6 49.Qh5#) 49.Qd7+ Kg6(8) 50.Qe8+ Kh7 51.Rh5#.

A.2.b) 47... Nd6 48.Qg4+ Kh7 49.Qh4+ Kg8 (49... Kg6 50.Qh5+ Kf6 51.Qg5#, not possible if the black queen reached c1) 50.Qd8+ Ne8 (50... Kh7 51.Rh5+ Kg6 52.Qg5#) 51.Rxe8+ Kh7 52.Qh4+ Kg6 53.Qg4+ Kf6 54.Qf4+ Kg6 55.Re5 and White reaches the same position but Black lost the knight.

B) 41... Qd6 42.Re8+

B.1) 42... Bxe8 43.Qxe8+ Kh7 44.Qxb5 b2 45.Qd3+ (45.Rb1 Qh6 followed by c2 or Qc1+ looks bad for White) followed by 46.Qxc3 bxa1=Q+ 47.Qxa1 and White emerges a pawn ahead.

B.2) 42... Kh7 43.Re3 b2 44.Rb1 Qa3, unclear.


I'd play Ra1 because it seems to provide more winning chances.

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  scruggs: It seems white has a win with rook to a one
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