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Ljubomir Ljubojevic vs Tony Miles
Bugojno (1986), Bugojno YUG, rd 8, Jun-04
English Opening: General (A10)  ·  1-0



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Jun-03-05  Knight13: This puzzle was kind of hard.
Jun-03-05  Frankly: I like these problems where there are not necessarily major fireworks involved in the solution. I looked at f5 and most of what followed, but it looked a bit too pedestrian, as if the solution had to be more inspiring! So I thought - nah... it has to be something better. And could not find it. The problem with most "W to play and win" problems is that the solutions are often far too bizarre - look for the sacrifice or the underpromotion, etc, and one tends to avoid the lines that lead to a more prosaic and ground out win. The ones on this site are a good mix of super-combinations and more banal stuff, to keep one guessing, more realistically simulating OTB conditions. By the way, love the Chess Poster site problems from master games.
Jun-03-05  the quiet man: Interesting that Tony generally had a very good record against Lubo - 13 to 6, with only 8 draws for the games in this database. Most of their games were interesting - and this was no exception
Jun-03-05  YouRang: I missed it. Usually when I miss one, I at least CONSIDER the right move, but fail to see the continuation.

Here, I didn't even consider the key move, f5. And even if I did, I probably would have failed to see the continuation.

Jun-03-05  kevin86: It was not the powerful rook move that decided this one,but a small pawn push! Note:a pawn is the only chesspiece whose move is never reversable. Hence,its job at ending a 50 move count (the other irrersable moves are captures and changing or the castling status by moving king or castling rook)
Jun-03-05  Nickisimo: I considered f5 to be the best move but discounted it because it just didn't seem to be "explosive" enough for a "white to play and win". I wasted a couple of minutes on Rxd7+ and even tried to make the laughable QxR line work. Oh well. Maybe should give us woodpushers a chance and say something like, "White to play a firework and win" or "White to play a quiet move and win"...heh
Jun-03-05  Nickisimo: Better still would be "White to move his rook somewhere between g5 and g7, capture a piece and land on a light square...and win"
Jun-03-05  aginis: i'm not sure i see a win after
24.f5 gf 25.Qxh5 Bf8 certainly white has a strong positional advantage but no immediate win.
Jun-03-05  Greginctw: i solved it but not really. I realized there was no heavy piece sacrifices. The simple exhanging at d7 is too obvious. F5 opens things up so it has to be the right answer because there is no other comparable attacking moves. Solving problems like this probably doesnt increase ones playing strength i assume.
Jun-03-05  clausantos: I thought in Rd7 exchange... I was wrong...
Jun-03-05  Eric Xanthus: Perhaps we have different ideas of "immediate win," aginis, but 24.f5 gxf5 25.Qxh5 Bf8 26.Qg5+ Ke8 looks pretty crushing to me. Black is stuck between the d-file invasion and the running h-pawn--and now two of his pieces are preventing him from covering h8. I'm about the farthest thing from a real chess player around here, but I'd call that "winning."
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  beenthere240: This would have been a real killer puzzle if it had started at move 29.
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  samvega: <EX>, <aginis>, as <sljuka> alluded in reply to <shor>, isn't good b/c 25.Qxh5 Bf8 26.Rxd7+ Qxe7 27.Rxe7+ Kxe7 28.Qxf7+, winning the B.
Jun-03-05  Eric Xanthus: samvega, after (in your line) 28.Qxf7+ black has Be7. Which is not to say I don't completely agree with you--white is totally winning. But he doesn't get the bishop for free (unless I'm missing something--this is all in my head right now). By the time white brings his own bishop around to get the pinned bishop, black can have his rooks backing it up.


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  samvega: oops.
Jun-03-05  WMD: The day of the week gives a clue on the depth you need to look for.
Jun-03-05  Hemmeireoid5: In my humble opinion in these kind of positions. equal material with white having posibly a slight space advantage f5 should always be considered. I saw f5 almost straight away and did not calculte further than two moves ahead. I just saw that when black takes there is a weakness in e5 and/or h5 with the queen getting good play picking up a tempo on either the h6 bishop or getting tremendous pressure on d7, d6 and f6. Should i really have been looking any further?
Jun-03-05  Jimzovich: <Greginctw:Solving problems like this probably doesnt increase ones playing strength i assume.> Puzzles like these especially increase chess strength, thats the only reason I am here ...TO LEARN!!
Jun-03-05  ajile: Intuitively I chose F5 because White's pieces are in a better position to exploit the opening of the center than Black's. But I didn't see the whole winning line either.
Jun-03-05  Greginctw: <Greginctw:Solving problems like this probably doesnt increase ones playing strength i assume.> Puzzles like these especially increase chess strength, thats the only reason I am here ...TO LEARN!!

Oh sorry i didnt mean it like that. I meant solving an excersise simply based upon past experience and knowledge without any calculating wont do much for your chess. I calculated not one move farther than f5 so im saying solving an excersise in that manner does not increase ones playing strength. No doubt if one carefully analyzes the position, fully exploring all variations they will increase their strength. Hopefully i clarified my comment.

Jun-04-05  Jimzovich: No I understood what you meant Greginct. And yes you clarified it with this sentence <I meant solving an excersise simply based upon past experience and knowledge without any calculating wont do much for your chess.>

Let me show you a game that had great impact on me and my learning; in fact I have used such tactics many times in games and WON. It is a much looked over game, for it has no Kibitzing! Look at move 12.e5 and move 14.Ne4. Botvinnik sacrifices a pawn in order to give his knight an outpost!! Impressive.

Botvinnik vs A Pomar-Salamanca, 1962

Jun-07-05  2ndNature: <Jimzovich>, I'm pretty sure that Botvinnik knew that 16.Qxg7 gives him the pawn back - that's not to say that the whole combination, starting from 12.e5 (Botvinnik vs A Pomar-Salamanca, 1962) is not beautiful. The following attack is played briliantly.

Jun-09-05  Jimzovich: Well <Greginctw> do you care to comment or is it over NOW?
Mar-23-06  Whitehat1963: A Monday/Tuesday puzzle after 29...Rc7. (Player of the Day)
Nov-30-17  thegoodanarchist: More than 12 years ago, this was a puzzle of the day, apparently.

24.? White to play and win.

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