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Slavoljub Marjanovic vs Victor Ciocaltea
"Turkey Roast" (game of the day Nov-25-2004)
12th Balkaniad (men) (1980), Istanbul TUR, rd 3, Oct-??
Modern Defense: Gurgenidze Defense (B06)  ·  1-0

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Nov-28-02  pawntificator: 17...0-0 was better. Just because white didn't castle doesn't mean black has time to mess around.

23...cxd was obviously called for. It would have prevented the loss of the pawn, given more mobility to the Queen, and also kept the white e pawn under wraps. In fact, black looks better in this position because both of white's bishops are constricted and black has the knights to manuever through the pawn forest.

Nov-28-02
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  Sneaky: 17...O-O 18.g4 looks like it leads to a strong attack, but perhaps after 18...Nh4+ the storm can be weathered.
Nov-29-02  pawntificator: But maybe 17...0-0 18 h4 followed by 19 g4 could spell trouble for black.
Dec-01-02  drukenknight: so what was the losing move pawntiff, 23...exd5? hmm, yeah I like cxd because black has more connected pawns, but then he should expect an attack coming.

I wonder if black could still save it as late as 24...Nh4+ which would then equalize the material situation after 25...gxh5 and provide an open file to attack the K>

Dec-01-02  pawntificator: 24...Nh4+ is a nice try but it won't hold up to 25 gxh4 gxh5 26 Qf5+ when whites kingside pawns will be able to march down
Dec-02-02  drukenknight: which pawns the e pawn? the f pawn? doesnt that just allow my Q to get active?
Dec-02-02  pawntificator: after 26Qf5+ he can take black's h pawn and push his across
Dec-03-02  drukenknight: well hold on a second maybe we can get blacks Q active first: 24...Nh4+ 25 gxh4 Qd8 26 Bxg6 Qg8
Dec-03-02  pawntificator: It looks pretty hopeless for black! 24...Nh4+ 25 gxh4 Qd8 26 Bxg6 Qg8 27 h5 fxg6 28 hxg6 is very scary indeed. Besides, white could just retreat the bishop on 26 and be a piece ahead
Dec-03-02  drukenknight: scary indeed pawntiff. How did I lose that piece? Wait a minute why does he move the N in the first place? what about 24...Qd8 right off?
Dec-03-02  pawntificator: I don't know...The queen doesn't really have much to do. It looks bad for black now. It looks like the knight would jump right off the board if it could.
Dec-03-02  drukenknight: you mean the one on a8? gawd what is it doing there?
Nov-27-03  mjk: Pawntiff, DK, doesn't 23...cxd5 allow 24.♕b5+ winning the ♗
Nov-27-03  noone2: It looks to me like 21...Ra8 is terrible

Instead 21 ... Be7 makes more sense (before 22 c5 leads to the loss of the B)- black cannot afford to open the position. I think black is ok

Nov-27-03  noone2: Actually even 21 ... Be7 leads to a clear white plus.

22 c5 Na8 23 b4 Qcb8 24 b5 Nc7 25 Nc3

Nov-25-04  iron maiden: Happy Thanksgiving to all, and an excellent game choice for today, chessgames.com. Not only is it appropriately-titled, but the pawn symbolizes a football player running for a touchdown.
Nov-25-04
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  An Englishman: Good Evening: Marjanovic consistently aims for the most important breakthrough, forcing g3-g4 followed ASAP by f4-f5. So the big question is this: how can Black either prevent this or minimize the consequences? This is why Ciocaltea tried the King move ...Kd7--connect the Rook to the Queen so that he can answer g4 with hxg4, Nf5-g7, Rxh1 and then Qd8-h8. Instead, ...0-0 is castling into trouble, and Kf8 actually encourages g3-g4 because the Rh8 has no protection.

Ultimately, the big error for Black might have been the Queen side demonstration with a7-a5-a4. He voluntarily deprives himself of a safe haven. Also, axb3 opens lines for White in the side of the board where Black wants to hide his King. Another possible mistake: ...Bb4. Since the Bishop only becomes a target, maybe ...Be7, securing h4 for the Knight in case of g3-g4, is better. Maybe.

Nov-25-04  Marco65: <An Englishman> I think 18.g4 wouldn't be met by 18...hxg4 19.hxg4 Ng7, because after 20.Rxh8 Qxh8 21.Rh1 Black has to leave the h file to White. Maybe best would be 18...Nh4+ 19.Bxh4 Qxh4 with some counterplay on the king side. In my opinion that's why White played 18.Ne2, at that point 19.g4 is threatened: 19.g4 Nh4+? 20.Bxh4 Qxh4 21.g5! and the black queen has nowhere to go.
Nov-25-04  nfazli: pawntificator....if 23...cxd 24 qb5+
black looses bishop
Nov-25-04  Knight13: Very good play, White. I think Slavoljub Marjanovic needed more Turkey Roast!
Nov-25-04
Premium Chessgames Member
  kevin86: It looks like this is the annual Thanksgiving game-to go with football in Detroit and Dallas. A good one-ending in a rallying pawn.

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