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Frank James Marshall vs Jose Raul Capablanca
Capablanca - Marshall (1909), New York, NY USA, rd 5, Apr-27
Queen's Gambit Declined: Lasker Defense (D53)  ·  0-1

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Oct-06-12
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  Peligroso Patzer: Note: In the first of my two preceding comments the move is numbered incorrectly: the move reference should read <14. Qe4>.
Jan-04-13  chrisfalter: @Boomie - After 21...g5 22. Qg3 Lakdawala gives 22...Rxe3 23. fxe3 Nxe4 and white has insufficient compensation for the pawn deficit. Also, 21...e5 is not a shot that Capa missed; it is a mistake he avoided (22. Qxe5 Qxe5 23. Nxe5 and white is up a safe pawn)

@Peligroso Patzer - Lakdawala states that he is "not a big fan of" <13. Qe4>, so I think he meant to award a '?!' (dubious) rather than a '!?' (intereresting). Editor's error.

Jan-04-13  chrisfalter: Speaking of editing errors, here's my post in good English:

@Boomie - After 21...g5 22. Qg3 Lakdawala gives 22...Rxe3 23. fxe3 Nxe4 and white has insufficient compensation for the pawn deficit. Also, 21...e5 is not a shot that Capa missed; it is a mistake he avoided (22. Qxe5 Qxe5 23. Nxe5 and white is up a safe pawn)

@Peligroso Patzer - Lakdawala states that he is "not a big fan of" <14. Qe4>, so I think he meant to award a '?!' (dubious) rather than a '!?' (interesting). Editor's error.

Dec-01-13
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  maxi: 33...Nh4+ is stronger than Capa's choice 33...f5: 33...Nh4+ 34.Kh3 Nf3 and Black has deadly threats due to the open h-file and 1-rank.
Jul-21-14  jdc2: Related to Karpova's '07 comment concerning Evans mistaking the position: Reinfeld in his book "1001 Winning Chess Combinations" (from 1955) took the position from this game after white's 45th move, shifted the queen to c6 and made it white to move, thus creating one of my favorite problems, where white either skewers the king or mates him. It's problem #774 in my edition.
Jul-21-14
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  Sally Simpson: Relating to the above post.


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White to play and win.


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The actual position from the game.

A wee bit of tampering with a position for instructive value is OK provided one does not state it appeared in the actual game and was missed. Else, as we have seen, it goes all around the world.

I worked my way through Reinfeld 1001 'combo' books and sometimes you do recognise a pattern from a game or an opening trap. It seems when composing these positions, Fred in some positions tweaked a few well know games to make a combo work. (some are as what really appeared on the board) and provided you give no names, dates then no harm done.

For example in this Marshall - Capablanca game.

This is the position after 33. Kg2


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If we pull the h4 pawn back to h2.


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It is now a with Black to play a mate in 5.

Feb-23-15  TrumanB: Instead of 32.g3 why white simpy didn't take the bishop?
Feb-23-15  Jim Bartle: I think 32. Rxe4 Nf3+ 33. Kh1 Qa1++
Feb-23-15
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  keypusher: <TrumanB>

<babakova: <Why doesn't Marshall take that bishop???> I assume you mean on move 32 with 32.Rxe4? I was looking at the board at first and couldnt figure it out then I saw 32.Rxe4? Nf3+ and now if 33.Kf1 Nd2+ forks rook and king and wins, if instead 33.Kh1 Qa1+ mates...>

May-23-15  chessgamer2000: Capablanca.beautiful chess
Mar-05-16  Timi Timov: 44...Ba2 .-. Why did Capa play that?
Mar-05-16  Howard: My guess was to get the bishop on the a8-h1 diagonal ASAP. From b1, the bishop couldn't get to that diagonal in just one move, due to the white pawn on f3. But from a2, it was to later jump to d5--in just one move.
May-01-16  Graber7: It appears that Capablanca missed two earlier wins in the game the first with 33. Nxh4++ and the second with 35. Qa1. I made a long comment about all the lines but it got deleted so I will just put in the critical ones. After Nxh4++ 34. Kh3 fails to Bc5+ since 35. Kxh4 Qg5 is mate. If instead the King goes back to g2 or h2 then Nf3+ just wins a pawn and probably more. 35. Qa1 seems to win because mate follows if the Knight is took with both 36. gxh4 and Rxh4 and if perpetual is tried with 36. Qc7+ then the King finds a safe haven on g6. Therefore the only reasonable option(I think at least) is 36. Rxe4 when Nf3+ 37. Kg2 fxe4 wins a Knight. I may be way off in left field or people may have already mentioned these wins but I have not seen any comments relating to them.
Feb-24-17  Capacorn: <visayanbraindoctor> Nothing like pouring yourself a drink and going over some of these classics. I just reviewed this game with Chernev's book. Capablanca's vision was just ridiculous. You explained (very well, I might add) what I marveled at on at least two occasions. As the great Lasker once said, "I have known many chess players, but among them only one genius -- Capablanca."
Jul-22-17  Howard: For the record, a reader asked in the January, 1979 issue of CL&R why Capa didn't play 25...Rxd4. The reason was....

...tell ya what. Let's let the readers look at that one. I'll get back to you all later on this.

Jul-22-17  RookFile: I thought Marshall should have gone for a4 and a5 in the early middlegame. Apparently he thought so too, because he played this later, in the only game he won in this match.
Jul-25-17  Howard: No takers, yet?! Please see my previous comment.
Jul-25-17
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  tamar: <Howard: For the record, a reader asked in the January, 1979 issue of CL&R why Capa didn't play 25...Rxd4. The reason was....>

He was Capablanca...

Jul-25-17  sudoplatov: Is the Marshall plan with a4 and a5 in this type of position the first example of a minority attack? I haven't been able to find out when the plan of a minority attack was described (and played).
Jul-25-17
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  offramp:


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If 25...Rxd4, 26. Bc2 wins a piece.

Jul-26-17  Howard: Geez! Can't I get a legit answer? The move 25...Rxd4 loses(!) according to CL&R.
Jul-26-17  Retireborn: <Howard> 25...Rxd4 loses the advantage, not the game. After 25...Rxd4 26.Bc2 Qg7 27.Rxd4 Qxd4 28.Qxg4+ Kf8 29.Qe2 Qa1+ 30.Kh2 Qxa2 31.Qd3 White should have sufficient counterplay for the pawn.

With 25...Qg7 Black is absolutely winning, according Houdini.

Jul-26-17  Howard: Hmmmm.....CL&R said that in reply to 25...Rxd4, 26.Rf1! wins a piece, adding "don't underestimate the oldtimers!"

Let me take a closer look at this.

Jul-26-17  Retireborn: <Howard> Yes, 25...Rxd4 26.Rf1 does win (back) a piece, but after 26...Qg6 27.Qb8+ Kg7 28.Qxb7 Qf6! it is Black who is winning, for example 29.g3 Rd1! or 29.Qxa7 Qxh4 etc
Jul-27-17  Howard: Too bad we didn't have engines back in '79. Personally, I still miss those days.
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