| May-31-03 | | Giuoco Piano Man: Nice finish! White can leave his Queen "hanging" for 2 moves and still win! |
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| May-31-03 | | Shadout Mapes: My first thought when seeing this position was, "How is white's bishop AND queen hanging?" After I saw the back rank mate situation, I managed to find 29.Rd8 quite quickly. |
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| May-31-03 | | ZScore: If 29..Qxd8 (29..Qxc6 30. Rxf8#) 30. Qxd8 h5 (forced) 31. Qxf8+ Kh7 31. Qg8+ Kh6 32. Qh8 Kg5 33. Qxh5+ Kf4 34. Qf5# |
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| May-31-03 | | ZScore: Crafty, what do you say about 12..dxc5? |
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| May-31-03 | | drukenknight: zscore, what if black starts: 29...g5? |
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| May-31-03 | | djp: Zscore: 30. ..h5 is hardly "forced." Rxf6 is another option open to black. And of course, black could move just about any other piece on the board, but any of those moves would lose. Still, technically, all those other moves are options, removing the "force" on h5. And in your variation, I think you meant 29. ..Qxb6, not c6. |
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| May-31-03 | | patzer2: 28. QxQ,RxQ 29. RxR,BxR 30. Rd8,RxB(f7)
31. RxB(a8), pxb3 32. pxb3,g3= leads to no advantage for white.So 28 Rxa8! followed by 29 Rd8! clearly are the best moves in this instructive combination. |
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| May-31-03 | | patzer2: Dip, I killed my previous message to post this correction (in response to earlier commentary on ZScore's analysis): Dip, in ZScore's analysis, I think you meant 30...Rxf7 is another option, not 30...Rxf6. However, in this continuation, after 31 Qxa8 white has an easy win, which I assume is what ZScore meant by saying 30...h5 is "forced."
Literally, of course, you are correct that a move is not forced unless a player is compelled to make the move and there are no other chocies. However, ZScore does an outstanding job of analysis, and if this is his way of keeping it short and concise, it works for me. |
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| May-31-03 | | djp: Yes, patzer2, you are correct. I meant Rxf7. Thanks.
I'm new to this site and am finding it hard to work in this narrow window because you have to keep scrolling up and down between a view of the board and the window you're typing in (while at the same time keeping alive in your head the positions of the pieces in the variation you're discussing or suggesting). I'll have to be more careful in the future. |
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| May-31-03 | | ZScore: DJP, you are correct, I meant 29..Qxb6. |
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| May-31-03 | | ZScore: drukenknight, if you are suggesting the move 29..g5 does not lead to forced mate, you are correct. The variation that I stated in my first message post was an example of white's positional strength. 29..g5 30. Qxc7 Rxc7 31. Rxf8+ Kg7 32. Rxa8 Kxf7 33. Rd8 to give white control of the only open central file i.e. the d-file. This position should be a won endgame for white. |
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| May-31-03 | | Ken MacGillivray: zscore: In your analyses after 29 ...g5 you emphasise white's control of the d-file but white's material plus, the extra Bishop, is also significant. |
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| Jun-01-03 | | crafty: 12. ... dxc5 13. ♘d2 O-O 14. ♘c4 ♘d7 15. ♗c3 a5 16. ♕d2 = (eval 0.22; depth 15 ply; 500M nodes) |
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| Jun-02-03 | | drukenknight: Zscore; our post mortem line continues with: 33...Rb7; your line up to that pt. looks logical indeed. |
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