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Miguel Najdorf vs Henrique Mecking
Hoogovens (1978), Wijk aan Zee NED, rd 3, Jan-22
English Opening: Anglo-Indian Defense. King's Indian Formation (A15)  ·  1/2-1/2

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Annotations by John Nunn.      [5 more games annotated by Nunn]

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Sep-03-06  jmi: <euripides: <jmi> 'match' in chess does not mean an individual game but a series of games. I think <chessical> is right about the source of your anecdote.>

Don't take my word for it. Ask Bill Wall.
http://www.geocities.com/siliconval...

Sep-03-06
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  chrisowen: Interesting, Black's predatory instinct saw the e pawn push - white's king is harmless however and is bussed about.
Sep-03-06  euripides: <jmi> so your first post was plagiarised. Apparently from an unreliable source. The story about kicking the table is in Korchnoi's autobiography.
Sep-03-06  jmi: <euripides: <jmi> so your first post was plagiarised. Apparently from an unreliable source. The story about kicking the table is in Korchnoi's autobiography.>

Did I ever say that as a testament to the fact?

If you think Bill Wall is an unreliable source, why don't you email Bill Wall to have it corrected then? He'll be more than happy to entertain you. You do know who Bill Wall is, don't you?

Here, let me give you a hand: Bill Wall

Besides, so is the story about Petrosian saying that Mecking will never become World Champion because he doesn't seem capable of grasping the significance of light and dark squares despite being an active player.

Sep-03-06
Premium Chessgames Member
  chrisowen: Mecking winning even before the players sat down accepts Najdorf scrambles a draw
Sep-03-06  euripides: <Did I ever say that as a testament to the fact? >

I don't understand the question. But you posted the story as fact: and you used Wall's words as if they were your own.

Bill Wall's page is full of entertaining (though familiar) stories but he cites no sources. Chess literature is full of anecdotes of dubious provenance.

Sep-03-06  Tariqov: <jahhaj> that's a hard puzzle, i would go for 1....h5!? all other black other alternatives leads to loses i think.
Sep-03-06  TrueBlue: ok, didn't get it. What if white doesn't take the pawn on move 32?
Sep-03-06  EinZweiDrei: Very educational puzzle. I recommend anyone who can poke at it with a chess engine and move the pretty widgets around for themselves.
Sep-03-06
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  jahhaj: <What if White doesn't take the pawn on move 32?> Black still carries on with his plan to round up the king side pawns, saccing his f3 pawn if necessary.
Sep-03-06  kinghunt72: First of all, to the smart annotator who said 31... exf3 was the best move, you are wrong. White was in trouble but shouldn't have played 31. Kf2 but instead 31. h5! e3 32. g5 Ke6 33. g6 hxg6 34. h6 Kf7 35. Kd1. Why? Because he has nothing better to do, and it is much easier to force a draw.
Sep-03-06  LIFE Master AJ: The following analysis is from Informant # 25. (GM H. Mecking)

[ 31...exf3!; 32.Kxf3 Ke5; 33.Kf2 Ke4; 34.h5 Ke5; 35.Kf3 h6; 36.Kf2 Kf6; 37.Kg2 Kg5; 38.Kf3 c6; 39.a3 a6 ]

I didn't bother to check it ...

Sep-03-06  LIFE Master AJ: I spent close to 30 minutes with the computer ... trying to find out where White went really wrong. (Yes, I went over notes in about three different sources, but they don't agree.)

The position after 22.Ke2 is about as dead equal as they come. Symmetrical pawn position, no visible weaknesses of any kind. Maybe White's 23.exf5+ was the losing move? You have to be VERY careful in such simple and balanced positions, one should not lightly disturb the equilibrium!

Also - some of White's other Pawn pushes (28.g4+) look a little hasty. And Mecking himself points out that White did not need to challenge the d-file on move # 24. (Just some thoughts.)

Sep-03-06  pimbo: 43.g5! wins for white
Sep-03-06  pimbo: or not ?!?
Sep-03-06
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  jahhaj: <pimbo> Not I'm afraid, 43.g5? Kxf3 44.g6 e2+ 45.Ke1 Ke3 46.g7 f3 47. g8=Q f2#
Sep-03-06  TrueBlue: I saw it, very tricky ...
Sep-03-06
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  jahhaj: <kinghunt72> Firsly the line you give starts before Black's 31st so I don't see how it proves that 31...exf3 is not the best move.

Secondly the line you give leads to a totally lost position for White.

Sep-03-06
Premium Chessgames Member
  jahhaj: <Tarigov> You got it, more than I did when I saw that puzzle.

Some analysis by Mark Dvoretsky of my puzzle and other pawn endings can be found here

http://www.chesscafe.com/text/dvore...

Well worth a look.

Sep-03-06
Premium Chessgames Member
  kevin86: This was a brilliant puzzle! First,black's natural attempt to gain a passed pawn in fact blows the win and soon after,white's natural move-g5 is doomed to defeat (advance the unchecked pawn first). This is just two more reasons that chess is an art-not a science.
Sep-03-06  mack: <Don't take my word for it. Ask Bill Wall.>

It's a good job Edward Winter doesn't post here, he'd be having palpitations.

Sep-03-06  mahmoudkubba: As far as I knows abt Mocking, thats also if the pic abt him on this site is the true one, then I would say that he made the correct move when played 31-...e3+ knowing that he have to draw not to win due to some facts may be. Well the say on that was fron Nunn is: <Creating a strong protected passed pawn is so natural that is easy to understand why ♗lack played this move. However, it actually throws the win away. -- ♘unn (Correct is 31...exf3!!)>. well if what I said oneday is correct that is : It is some times a win gathered with a big draw because badness still do exist. Yet this is just a primitive look and point of view for the whole game and the whole condition(s) of it. It seems I have to look deeper to it in the coming few days properly on the most. What I mean may be what I am thinking is not true but may be it is a big truth on the other side later than a deep look.
Sep-03-06  mahmoudkubba: Also to follow what the talk is abt here and there or in other places. If possible can someone guide me to other talks especially on this game and generally on the ch. community? apart from my knowledge of some of course.
Sep-03-06  CiclopeEstrabico: Iīm Brazilian and iīve already heard about this kicking stuff with Petrosian. Mecking is really an eccentric guy. He had a very serious deasease which almost lead to his death and he claims he was saved by Virgin Mary. Itīs incredible that even being a professional chess player, he canīt talk about chess, but only religion.
Sep-03-06  Tariqov: <jahhaj>Hmm, i didn't see all the variations after h5! I didn't even know about the last part, stalemate!!(when calculating)
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