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| Jun-18-21 | | TheBish: Well known game, at least the position of today's puzzle (45...?). I have nothing to add to what I said 9 1/2 years ago! Did the puzzle get changed? I just noticed the date of the only two recent kibitzes is Jun-18-21, which is tomorrow! (Not yet 11:00 PM EDT yet.) Curiously, this was a Friday puzzle in 2011, so maybe it got posted early this time? |
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| Jun-18-21 | | Walter Glattke: 45.-Rxh3 (>Qh1#) 46.Kxh3 Qh1+ 47. Qg2 Qxf3+ 48.Kxh4 Be7+ 49.g5 Bxg5+ 50.Kxg5 f6+ a)51.Kh4 g5# b) 51.Kg6 Qg4# surprising end |
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| Jun-18-21 | | Walter Glattke: Ah, 46.Qf1 Rg3+ 47.Kf2 Rxf3+ 48.Kxf3 Qxf1+ 49.Rf2!? Qh1+ considered as no escape from queen checks, so = draw |
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Jun-18-21
 | | Diademas: I would probably have played this sequence as Black. Not because I saw it to the end, but because every thing else is hopeless. |
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Jun-18-21
 | | al wazir: Black is a ♖ down, and there's no way to stop the ♙ on c7 from queening. This game is about as hopeless as it gets. Okay, forget finding a win. Maybe there's some way for black to swindle a draw by perpetual check. The only plausible attempt starts with 45...Rxh3. White has to postpone promoting in order to prevent 46...Qh1#: 46. Kxh3 Qh1+ 47. Qh2 Qxf3+ 48. Kxh4.
Hey, now black's ♗ gets into the act: 48...Be7+. Now I scent blood: 49. g5 (what else?) Bxg5+ 50. Kxg5 f6+ 51. Kg6 Qg4#. So black has a win after all! Son of a gun!
Actually, I think white could have done better by refusing the ♖ sac and giving up his ♕ instead, allowing the ♔ to escape: 46. Qf1 Rg3+ 47. Kf2 Rxf3+ 48. Kxf3 Qxf1+ 49. Ke4 Qh1+ 50. Rg2 Qe1+ 51. Kd5, etc. As long as the ♔ stays on white squares, the ♗ can't cause trouble. Eventually the ♔ reaches the 8th rank where it can support the ♙. At least white has some chances this way. |
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| Jun-18-21 | | Nov8: Don't force your opponent to move the force one |
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| Jun-18-21 | | saturn2: Considered black as lost till I found Rxh3 |
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Jun-18-21
 | | chrisowen: Hack visage its low von guv i Rxh3 goody a bluff visage frazzled its against vigils vivas hacky hal picks ciabatta bam foots rose its low von guv i lad vue its dowry quagmire von guv id jangled its mads visage jippy pie its bouncy ton within lucky guy vigil pc7 fondle axiom visage jade its hinch nah idiom vigil pg5 fluff abled its o adage its hacking von guv if totadd etcetera awooga job von guv ignoble at eh its velcro pits wyoming i Rxh3 its o figure its hack etcetera; |
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| Jun-18-21 | | WorstPlayerEver: Competely missed it. I'm such a dummy. |
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| Jun-18-21 | | sfm: Sour loss, so close, so many winning moves along the way, and finally, after 45.c7?? missing the draw after 45.-,Qf1 46.Qf1. That chess, (and life) at times. |
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Jun-18-21
 | | agb2002: Black has a bishop for a rook.
White threatens c8=Q.
Apparently, Black's only option is 45... Rxh3:
A) 46.Kxh3 Qh1+ 47.Qh2 Qxf3+ 48.Kxh4 Be7+ (48... g5+ 49.Kh5 Qf6 50.Rc6 looks problematic) A.1) 49.Kh5 g6+ 50.Kh6 Qe3+ and mate in two.
A.2) 49.g5 Bxg5+ 50.Kxg5 f6+ 51.Kh5 (51.Kg6 Qg4#) 51... g5#. B) 46.Qe2 Rg3+ 47.Kf(h)2 Qg1#.
C) 46.Qe3 Qg1+ 47.Kf2 Rh2#.
D) 46.Qd4(b6,a7,xh4) Qh1+ 47.Kf2 Rxf3+ 48.Ke2 Qf1#. |
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| Jun-18-21 | | Cellist: I saw the combination up to move 48 and expected 49.Kh5, which ends in mate, too. Failed to consider 49.g5, but when I followed the moves, I saw that the B sacrifice leads to mate, too. Nice combination, but it is indeed a seemingly hopeless position for Black where only the desprate moves promise something. |
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| Jun-18-21 | | mel gibson: The King can't take the Rook or it's mate in 6.
Otherwise it's draw. |
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| Jun-18-21 | | Socrates2: A perfect example of a swindled game. |
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Jun-18-21
| | chrisowen: No it mean umbrage Rh3 no? |
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| Jun-18-21 | | awfulhangover: I was totally confused, black seemed totally lost, and I would have done the so called ultimate blunder: resigning in a won position. But, when I saw Rxh3 it was a ?Heureka? feeling. As white I would have vomitted in disgust! |
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| Jun-18-21 | | Brenin: <awfulhangover>: Take heart from the fact that you wouldn't have resigned in a won position, only a drawn one. After 45 ... Rxh3 White can avoid mate by giving up his Q with 46 Qf1 Rg3+ 47 Kf2 Rf3+ 48 Kxf3 Qxf1+ 44 Ke4. Black has Q+B+2P for 2R, but White's threat of c8=Q leaves him with nothing better than a draw. |
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Jun-18-21
 | | Jimfromprovidence: There are a lot of ways white could win on move 45. One subtle way to do so is by moving the d rook one square over with 45 Re2, below.
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Now, if the same sequence as the text occurs through 48 Kxh4, then the e rook prevents 48 ?Be7+. |
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Jun-18-21
| | chrisowen: No huffle no? |
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| Jun-18-21 | | johnnydeep: This was beautiful. Sadly, I missed it. |
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| Jun-18-21 | | Refused: 45...Rxh3!! took me longer than it should have. You have to admire the geometry in the main line tho a) 46.Kxh3 Qh1+ 47.Qh2 Qf3+! 48.Kxh4 Be7+ 49.g5 Bxg5+ 50.Kxg5 f6+ and white is getting mated on the next move. Either with g5# or with Qg4# However, I am not entirely sure about the side line 46.Qf1 Rg3+ 47.Kf2 Rxf3+ (yes that thing is persistent) 48.Kxf3 Qxf1+ The white c-pawn is rather advanced. |
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| Jun-18-21 | | njchess: A fairly well known game from GM Tony Miles. I don't know if it won any brilliancy prize but it is amazing all the same. Still, the talk of the tournament was the resurgence of Tal, who scored 14 out of 17, with no losses against a pretty strong field. |
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Jun-18-21
 | | Breunor: Yes dead draw according to the Silicon monster. 1) =0.00 (38 ply) 45...Rxh3 46.Qf1 Rg3+ 47.Kf2 Rxf3+ 48.Kxf3 Qxf1+ 49.Ke4 Qe1+ 50.Kd4 Qa1+ 51.Kd3 Qf1+ 52.Ke4 After 46 Kxh3 white is lost
1) mate-in-6 (22 ply) 46...Qh1+ 47.Qh2 Qxf3+ 48.Kxh4 Be7+ 49.g5 Bxg5+ 50.Kxg5 f6+ 51.Kh4 g5# Game was easily won before 45 c7?
1) +17.89 (24 ply) 45.g5 Rc1 46.c7 Rxc2 47.Rxc2 Qa1 48.c8=Q g6 49.Qxh4 Qg7 50.Qxa6 Qe5 51.Qac4 Qe8 52.Qc8 Qe7 53.Qf4 b3 54.axb3 Qa3 55.Qcc4 Qe7 56.Qa6 Qd7 57.Qh4 Qd8 58.Qac4 Qd6 59.Qcd4 |
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| Jun-18-21 | | awfulhangover: <Brenin> Thanks! The engine gives you right! |
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Jun-18-21
 | | FSR: One of the great swindles of all time, analyzed in my Wikipedia article on the subject: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swind... |
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