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Anthony Miles vs Jonathan David Tisdall
ENG (1982)
Indian Game: General (A45)  ·  1-0

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Sep-06-12  scormus: <sevenseaman: <gawain.... I hallucinated that 31 Qg7 would be mate! Oops>. Funny, I fleetingly had the same 'hallucination'.>

Never mind, it was only a POTD. The other day I did something similar and dropped a rook. In a correspondance game as well. Chess doesnt get much worse than that :(

Sep-06-12  Djoker: <Robes> Welcome and Thanks I learnt a new word today.
Sep-06-12  sevenseaman: Gosh <scormus>! Dropping a R in a <correspondence game>, aint good at all. I sincerely commiserate.

I think this quality, the ability to avoid the bloomers is what separates the masters from the ordinary chess aficionados.

Masters make mistakes but these are of a different genre altogether, never the 'oops' type.

In your solution post you talked of two main lines. I assumed these to be;

30. Nxe6+

a) 30...Rxe6 31. Qd8+ Re8 32. Qd6 wins the the R at c5.

b) 30...Kg8 31. Nd4 wins, White having no resource for the Qg7# threat.

Now the one below, given by <gwain> and also alluded to by <morfishine> is the 3rd that escaped me clean.

c) 30... Rxe6 31.Rb8+ Rc8 32.Qxc3 Rxb8 33.Qh8+

Its a pretty line, though of course I feel the one used by GM Tony Miles (text) is the best.

What I am driving at is that it is not easy to be all-seeing even in puzzle mode, not to mention the competitive OTB game. No matter how much I admonish myself to be more diligent, something slips away unnoticed.

Sep-06-12  David2009: Miles vs J D Tisdall, 1982 White 30?

I have missed two in a row - I hope incompetence is not becoming a habit. Excuses,excuses: we have visitors and I am snatching minutesd away from my social duties.

Here's the puzzle position:


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I had totally missed the two (!) skewer or fork combinations starting 30.Nxe6+!, noted that 30.Qg7+ Ke7 31.Rb7+ Bd7 32.Nf5+ Kd8 left me busted a Rook down (no better is 30.Qh8+) and so decided to play 30.Rb7 seeing a Black perpetual check. Crafty End Game Trainer link: http://www.chessvideos.tv/endgame-t....

Well, a draw is better than a loss I suppose.

Sep-06-12
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  chrisowen: Dead in digest e6 low upright indeed black has no viable, defence a queen in fairly innocuous looking position knight does the damage in came to my attention straight away in splendid victory as right

effect in mind rookxe6 allow grounds for d8+ king is stuck rook back

to e8 and shoulder tie down d6+.


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Interpret sandwiched rookc5 in will drop off the map leading Miles

to fetch back his material gains for rook versus queen undeniable

white plus the marching band wagon just the ticket in e6.

Ps I contrive too kingg8 as empty it knight out in d4 rumbles any hope black might have giving up his queen for heading off long diagonal penchant in church of reason zapper in f6 too much for Jonathan to handle.

Delineate rooke8 and rookc5 get cascaded in one fell swoop after d8 d6 and roughly estimate again 31.rb8+ falls too pitch in c8 cliff queen can pick up c3 am effervescent heads up h8 drop b8 too the maximum blessing as given time.


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Sep-06-12
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  Oxspawn: I feel sure that 30. NxB must be the key move, but after Kg8 what then?

<30 NxB+ Kg8
31 Qg7+ QxQ
32 hxQ RxR>
white is lost
What about
<30 NxB+ Kg8
31 QxQ RxQ
32 Rg5+ Kh8 (only legal move?)
33. Ng7 Rc8>

probably black has a stronger move than this but anyway I don’t see how to continue. And I didn’t even get started on what if black plays

<31. NxB+ RxN
32. Qd8+ Re8
33. Qd6+>

and if the King moves or Re7, then
<34. RxR> looks good for white. But I am sure I have missed a win here. Did I get fixated on the first promising move I saw? Better post this under ‘Miles worse than whatever Tony played….”

Sep-06-12
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  Oxspawn: Just played through the game. Sometimes life is a lot simpler than I try to make it. Sigh... But White's moves 26 to 28 look brilliant to me. How Barcolona would play chess (maybe they do!).
Sep-06-12
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  kevin86: I saw a few cute variations:30 ♘xe6+ ♖xe6 31 ♖b8+ ♖c8 32 ♕xc3 ♖xb8 33 ♕h8+ wins the rook and has a queen for a rook. or 31...♖e8 32 ♕d6+ ♔g8 33 ♕xe8#
Sep-06-12  ClassZPlaya: Great game by Miles! When I reviewed the full game I wondered if Miles had a quicker win available with 29. Rg5 (instead of 29. Rxb5) threatening Rg8+ followed by Qg7 mate. It appears 29. Rxb5 is necessary to prevent perpetual check:

29. Rg5 Qe1+
30. Ka2 Qa5+
31. Kb2 Qc3+ etc.

29. Rxb5 prevents Qa5+ - beautiful!

Sep-06-12  Abulherar: VERY NICE Thursday Puzzle!!
I think that the solution is:
30.Nxe6+!
A:30...Rxe6 31.Rb8+ Rc8 (NOT 31...Re8?)
32.Qxc3 Rxb8 33.Qh8+! Ke7 34.Qxb8
(White has decisive advantage)
B:30...Kg8 31.Nd4! Kf8 32.Qd6+ Re7
33.Rxc5 Qe1+ 34.Kb2 f5 35.Qf6+ Ke8
36.Rc8+ Kd7 37.Qc6#
GAME OVER
Sep-06-12
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  Tiggler: <<Once>: You're right. I should try to be more tolerant, and simply ignore such pointless posts.>

The above was written by <Adbdel Irada> two days ago after another very minor dust-up.

I don't necessarily consider any particular posts to be pointless, but if they are, this is the way to go.

Sep-06-12  scormus: <sevenseaman> yes, the 3rd line is another nice one, one I overlooked.

Quitew a treat today with the finish, yet Tony's play was superb right through. Several times confronted with mating or other threats, he navigates a knife edge path to a very convincing win.

My recent painful experience illustrates your point very well. When a hobby player like me gets a chance to play a good game, I can get so tunnel-visioned about my wonderful 6-move mating combination I miss an elementary tactic just outside my focus. I took my eye of the ball and dropped the valuable prize (if for <once> I am allowed to mix my metaphors)

Sep-06-12  solskytz: <Abdul Irada> invalidating or making fun of someone else's creativity isn't humor in my book.
Sep-06-12  francis2012: I got the exact line

1. ♘xe6+! ♖xe6 2. ♖b8+ ♖c8 3. ♕xc3 ♖xb8 4. ♕h8+ and after Black move his King, White takes the black's Rook at b8 leaving White in a superior position.

Sep-06-12  EXIDE: Missed this one completely. Could not think ahead enough moves I guess. I spent inordinate time pushing the g(4) pawn ahead. Black leads by a piece which told me that white had to win completely. I feel bad about missing this one, still a very good puzzle indeed !!!
Sep-06-12  rapidcitychess: I do truly wish I could be the guy who says.

"I saw this in 5 seconds, so easy."

I basically wracked my brain, then gave up. I saw this principle, and in a game I would of played it by ear. But I suppose that puzzles aren't real games, so I don't get credit.

Perhaps we could use learning curves?

It would make my job easier, instead of being smarter, I just have to make everyone else less intelligent! Seems easy enough.

Sep-06-12
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  Once: <Abdel Irada> No worries. Sometimes when there is negativity in the air it can be difficult to tell the difference between criticism and humour.

This morning I stared and stared at your post and couldn't quite decide. As the yoof of today say, my bad.

Apologies that I didn't spot it for the intended humour. All is well.

Sep-06-12
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  agb2002: White has a knight and three pawns for a rook and a bishop.

Black might find some counterchances with 30... Qe1+ 31.Ka2 (31.Kb2 Qc3+) Bxb3+. 30... Rxb5 is not a threat due to 31.Nxe6+ and 32.Qxc3.

The first idea that comes to mind is 30.Nxe6+:

A) 30... Rxe6 31.Qd8+ Re8 32.Qd6+ followed by 33.Rxc5 + - [3P].

B) 30... Kg8 31.Nd4 (31.Qxc3 Rxc3 32.Rg5+ Kh5 33.Nd4 with the better ending but a long fight)

B.1) 31... Kf8 32.Qd6+ and 33.Qxc5 + - [3P].

B.2) 31... Qe1+ 32.Ka2 with the double threat 33.Qg7# and 33.Rxc5.

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Another option is 30.Rb7, threatening mate in one, but after 30... Qe1+ 31.Kb2 (31.Ka2 Ra5+ 32.Kb2 Qa1#) 31... Qc3+ Black achieves perpetual.

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I prefer 30.Nxe6+.

Sep-06-12  James D Flynn: Black is up a R for 3 Ps but he can win back at least a piece by 30.Nxe6+ because Rxe6 is met by 31. Rb8+ Re8(if Rc8 32.Qxc6 Rxb8 33.Qh8 + Ke7 34.Qxb8) 32.Qe3+ Kg8 33.Rxe8#. Other candidates are Qh7+ and Qh8+. 30.Nxe6+ Kg8 31.Nd4(now White threatens Qg7# and Black has no answer only spite checks like Qe8+ 32.Ka2 Qh5+(if Rc2+ 33.Nxc2) 33.Rxa5 Rxa5+ 34.Kb2 Rb2+ Kxb2 and he is out of checks) or catastrophic loss of material like Qxd4 32.exd4 Rg5 33.Rxg5+ Kf8 34.Rg8+ Kxg8 35.Q7#.
Sep-06-12  1stboard: Nice in-between move ......
Sep-06-12
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  morfishine: One aspect of this puzzle that I only just noticed, is that White is a whole rook down at move 30...sort of makes <30.Nxe6+> imperative...

The game itself, on the whole, is fascinating, particularly the final sequence starting with <25...Bb4>

Sep-06-12  TheBish: Miles vs J D Tisdall, 1982

White to play (30.?) "Medium", Black is up a rook for three pawns.

This is easier than it seemed to me last night. Maybe I was just tired, but I was missing a key element.

30. Nxe6+ Rxe6

Perhaps a better try is 30...Kg8, but White is simply winning after 31. Nd4! (threatening mate on g7), when after 31...Kf8 (31...Qe1+ 32. Ka2 is pointless) White wins a rook with 32. Qd6+, a fork possible with the e6 bishop now out of the way.

31. Rb8+ Re8

I saw this before, but was missing White's next. I did see that if 31...Rc8 32. Qxc3 Rxb8 33. Qh8+ wins big.

32. Qd6+!

Simple but deadly, and the piece of the puzzle I missed until today. The simple check removes the black king from defense of the rook.

32...Kg8 33. Rxe8#.

Sep-06-12  MarkFinan: Surely RxR wins? If the Queen recaptures Nxe6+ wins the game, and If the queen doesn't recapture Its still curtains for black because of the huge material advantage and upcoming mate.. Maybe I'm wrong, but this looks easy..
Sep-06-12
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  TheFocus: <MarkFinan> <Maybe I'm wrong>

You are.

30.Rxc5 Qxc5 31.Nxe6+ Rxe6.

Sep-07-12  stst: Got this late, still CA time, but already the next day EST. But got the sequence, so just put it out for Miles: 30.Qg7+ Ke7
31.Rb7+
IF (A)31.....Bd7 then
32.Nf5+ Kd8
33.Qg5+ Kc8
34.Nd6#
IF (B)31.....Kd6 then obviously 32.Nb5 and Black Q is lost. IF (C)31.....Kd8 then 32.Qd7+
if (i)32....fxe6 then 33.Qd7#
if (ii)32...Rxe6 then 33.Qf8+ Re8, 34.Qd6+ Kc8
35.Qb8#
See which one Miles likes, or, see how Tisdall reacts??
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