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Tony Miles vs Mikhail Nedobora
Seville op (1994), Seville ESP, rd 8, Jan-28
Formation: King's Indian Attack (A07)  ·  1/2-1/2

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Jul-13-22  Skewbrow: I was a bit lucky with this one.

The first thing I looked at was 41. Rxg7 Bxg7 pinning the black bishop. But then I noticed that the intended family fork 42. Nf6 is illegal because the white knight is already pinned.

White cannot really keep hammering at the black king, so the prospects are grim. Hmm. May be I can escape with perpetual queen checks after Rf8+ RxR RxR+? Nope, neither e8 nor h5 square is available for my queen. Only at that point I noticed that tossing the queen to the sharks as well produces a stalemate.

Jul-13-22  sfm: Lovely! All these pieces on the board and suddenly White, instead of resigning, stalemates himself. I recall reading that long ago that stalemate was a loss.

The engine says that Black instead of 40.-,Re2?? has a 10+ advantage with 40.-,Be5.

Jul-13-22  saturn2: CG got me. I spent about 20 minutes looking at promising move candidates which I saw lead to a black win I concluded white is lost.
Jul-13-22  Cibator: <sfm: Lovely! All these pieces on the board and suddenly White, instead of resigning, stalemates himself. I recall reading that long ago that stalemate was a loss.>

It's varied over time. Used to be considered a loss for the player who couldn't move (much as in checkers). Under other rules it was still regarded as a win for the inflictor, but of an inferior kind, scoring three-quarters of a point. For nearly 200 years in England, up to the early 19th century, it was a loss for the player inflicting it - under those rules Miles would have won this game!! Noted chess columnist Assiac once quoted one of his correspondents who called the draw option "the penalty for mauling without killing", which seems fair enough to me.

Jul-13-22  sfm: "saturn2: CG got me. I spent about 20 minutes looking at promising move candidates which I saw lead to a black win I concluded white is lost."

I spent only one minute, scratched my head, wondered if it was a CG mistake, and checked the solution. Now, of course I would have seen it all, had I spend just, say, 3-5 seconds more...

Stalemates in complex situations are easy to overlook, even by GMs. There is something laughable escaping that way, as the stalemated party is often in an 'otherwise' hopeless position. So many examples.
Beliavsky vs L Christiansen, 1987


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Black has just played 36.-,Qe7xf7
If White recaptures there is an obvious perpetual, but instead 37.Qxe5 wins easily. But White chooses the clever 37.Rd7, and contributes to a good laugh.

Stalemate history:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stale...

Jul-13-22  mel gibson: I missed that one today.
It's so easy once you see the solution.
Jul-13-22  TheaN: <nalinw: Did anyone else find a Wednesday level mate in 3 beginning with 41. Rxg7 and pat themselves on the back?>

...

The fact that I <also> did 13 years ago is embarrassing.

Jul-13-22
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  chrisowen: Notty silken alls Rf8+ axiom vast jack dash jags bereft z cablegram racy aces method Rf8+ doh?
Jul-13-22
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  Messiah: <chrisowen: Notty silken alls Rf8+ axiom vast jack dash jags bereft z cablegram racy aces method Rf8+ doh?>

<Stonehenge>, my friend, why gets this behaviour never punished with a ban? Are there double standards, my friend?

Jul-13-22  alshatranji: This is certainly not easy, or even medium. It takes a while to realize it should be a stalemate, not a win. I spent a lot of time trying to get rid of the knight on e4 (e.g. qxe6 then checking with the knight); for some reason, I thought I should get rid of all my pieces. Finally it dawned on me that the pinned knight could simply stay there; it's part of the stalemate. From there it became rather simple.
Jul-13-22  Brenin: This POTD is a classic example of how it is often advantageous to play through the preceding moves before attempting to find the solution. This makes your situation more like that in OTB play, where you know how you got yourself into this fine position / fine mess (delete as appropriate), and now have to figure out what to do about it. Of course, sneaking a look at the result of the game also helps, but in my book that's cheating.
Jul-13-22
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  Honza Cervenka: Lovely swindle allowed by careless 40...Re2(?). After 40...Be5 or 40...Ra3 giving white King a field for move white could resign instantly.
Jul-13-22
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  PawnSac: < Messiah:> chrisowen: < Stonehenge] why gets this behaviour never punished with a ban? >

If someone posted in Tagalog or Swahili, no one would get upset. Is it CG's fault nobody speaks his language? lol

Just mute the guy and be done with it.

Jul-13-22
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  Honza Cervenka: It reminds me W Wittmann vs A Rodriguez Cespedes, 1980
Jul-13-22
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  PawnSac: < al wazir: <OCF>: Who has time for silly chess games? Serious solvers hunt for fresh holiday presents, not stale mates. >

aw: As seen in the FIDE Candidates, half point can make the difference between 3rd, or tied for 2nd, and a chance at clear 2nd in playoffs, and in this case if the Mag doesn't play, a chance at the world title!

Draws and stalemates are an important training resource for competitive play! A win is better than a draw, and a draw better than losing. If you'd rather be a loser, that's your business. I have no opinion on that, but..

I think including these stalemates is an important feature for CG, and many of us support it.

Jul-13-22
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  Once: Here we are again, three years older and greyer but probably no wiser.

Should I have remembered this from 2019? Heck, I frequently find myself walking into a room and forgetting what I came there for.

Jul-13-22
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  eternaloptimist: This week has been 1 of the trickiest weeks ever so far for the 1st few days. On Monday I found a winning move but it was the fastest way to mate black. On Tuesday I found the correct solution but it took a good bit longer than normal for a Tuesday & today I just missed the solution. I just didn’t think about trying to get a stalemate in today’s puzzle. I’m surprised that miles got into a situation like that vs an IM especially considering that he played the white pieces...surprising indeed! <Once> lol
Jul-13-22  AIC: "White to move and... stalemate in 3"
That said, maybe I would have had a chance to guess it :D
Jul-13-22  Shrinarayanan: Great Stalemate. Very creative by White to escape a loss.
Jul-13-22
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  eternaloptimist: <AIC> yes that would’ve made solving it much easier lol! I c that u r new to chessgames.com. Welcome!

Also I meant ...*wasn’t* the fastest way to mate..., not was

Jul-13-22  Cibator: <alshatranji: This is certainly not easy, or even medium. It takes a while to realize it should be a stalemate, not a win>

As I've said elsewhere on this site in the last few days: treat these positions as though you're being asked "how should the game go?". As you've just found, it isn't invariably "White (or Black) to play and win".

Jul-14-22  AIC: <eternaloptimist>: I discovered this website 4 or 5 years ago and I think that the people working on it are doing a great job, although I learned the unhappy news about the two guys who started it. Many ideas of this kind (not producing any visible material gain) are short-lived in similar cases, but chessgames is still doing well. Maybe one of the reasons is the diversity of inputs from so many kibitzers of various backgrounds and skills. Yes, only recently I decided to join kibitzing when I have couple of minutes. Thanks for welcoming me!
Jul-18-22
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  ChessHigherCat: <messiah> <chrisowen: Notty silken alls Rf8+ axiom vast jack dash jags bereft z cablegram racy aces method Rf8+ doh?> <Stonehenge>, my friend, why gets this behaviour never punished with a ban?Are there double standards, my friend?>

First of all, sorry to address you without first performing the sacred ritual absolutions. Regarding your post, I'm usually pretty tolerant about free speech but I just came back from breakfast to find every single one of my unanswered posts sprinkled with gibberish like pigeon guano on the top of my statue, so I thought I'd share the solution with you: You just open the guano donor's profile, scroll down, and click on "ignore this user".

Jul-20-22  TheaN: <Once: Heck, I frequently find myself walking into a room and forgetting what I came there for.>

This has nothing to do with age. If anyone on this site would claim they've never done this, they're lying :>

Jul-20-22
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  ChessHigherCat: <Once> You don't need to seek professional help until you drink 7 beers, go to sleep, get up and run to the bathrrom, forget why you came there, and go back to wet your bed.
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