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Mahmood Lodhi vs Gilberto Milos
Thessaloniki Olympiad (1988), Thessaloniki GRE, rd 9, Nov-22
Gruenfeld Defense: Three Knights. Hungarian Variation (D93)  ·  0-1

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Jan-05-21  awfulhangover: Ok, black won, but Im not impressed. Time scramble and chess blindness?
Jan-05-21  Pawn Slayer: I went with 38....Rxg2+ 39 Kh1 (hopeless but best) Qd1+ 40 Kxg2 Bd5+ 41 Kf2 Bxa8. I never considered 39 Kxg2 as it loses the queen to Bd5+.
Jan-05-21
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  thegoodanarchist: Oh Lord, stuck it to Lodhi again.
Jan-05-21  Ivan Karamazov: 39...Bd5+ is rated as -132.69 and works out to be mate by about move 52 at the latest.

39...Qc6+ is rated as -6.64 and works to be mate by about move 62 at the latest (by my admittedly far from fool-proof techniques) and includes a far greater diversity of subvariations.

It's not close. 39...Qc6+ is very close to being ??, and this whole thing is very close to being a spoiler puzzle.

I find cg.com's puzzle selections remain very hit-or-miss. Some are outstanding* and some ... are not.

*(and I have said so under my previous handle User: Dr. J )

<[39...Bd5+ 40.Qf3 Bxf3+ 41.Kxf3 Qd5+ 42.Kf2 Qxa8 43.a5 Qxa5 44.Ke2 Qd5 45.Ke1 Kh6 46.Ke2 Kg5 47.e4 Qd4 48.Ke1 Qd3 49.e5 Kg4 50.Kf2 Qd2+ 51.Kg1 Kxg3 52.Kf1 Qf2#] > vs. <[39... Qc6+ 40.Kf2 Qxa8 41.Qf4 Bb3 42.e4 Qxa4 43.Qe3 Bc2 44. e5 Qe4 45.Qa7 Qf5+ 46.Kg1 Qf3 47.Qf2 Qxf2+ 48.Kxf2 Kh6 49.g4 hxg4 50.Ke3 Kg5 51.Kd2 g3 52.Kxc2 g2 53.Kc3 g1=Q 54.Kc4 Qd1 55.Kc5 Kf5 56.Kb4 Qc2 57.e6 Kxe6 58.Kb5 Kd5 59.Kb6 Qc6+ 60.Ka7 Qb5 61.Ka8 Kc6 62.Ka7 Qb7#]<>>

Jan-05-21
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  chrisowen: Marbles i v Rxg2+ flusher arrived oddity bah brought uhhuhs i v marbles Bg2 drawback ghosts acetate overts i v Kh1 oboehat eeyore v i abridge laughter drawdown i v amalgamate v i marquis loquacious i v quagmire ginny heckle feck on south viz its roger i v got on hog bitecuff totups fivers douche it bag uhhuhs finish faders i v witzy vilificate overts i v Rxg2+ flagon;
Jan-05-21  Eduardo Leon: I fail to comprehend why 39...♗d5+ was not played.
Jan-05-21  Nabbat: 39....Bd6+ was better
Jan-05-21  TheaN: I'll take credit for this, albeit not with the best lines (and I've looked for a while). <38....Rxg2+> is Black's only move, and completely winning.

In case of 39.Kxg2, I had seen 39....Bh3+?! and basically stopped there. Of course, 39....Bd5+ is much better, and Black played Qc6+? which is even worse.

<39.Kh1> is more testing, where I went with the suboptimal 39....Qd1+?! 40.Kxg2 Qd5+ -+ which picks up the rook in a similar fashion. Black should continue the onslaught with <39....Rg1+ 40.Kxg1 (Kh2 Qxg3#) Qxg3+ 41.Kh1 (Kf1 Bc4#) Bd5+ 42.Qf3 Bxf3#>. Somehow I failed to see the Qxg3 idea entirely; which works against any answer to Black's 39.

<Ivan Karamazov: (...)and this whole thing is very close to being a spoiler puzzle.

I find cg.com's puzzle selections remain very hit-or-miss.>

I've been critical to CG's choices but how is 39....Qc6+ CG's fault? Don't forget these positions <and played moves> come from actual games. As already proposed, it's likely Milos was in severe time trouble and had foreseen he'll win at least the rook back. It's not the best move, but it's incredibly harsh to blame CG and to claim it's a spoiler, which it clearly isn't.

Jan-05-21  Nabbat: I meant Bd5
Jan-05-21
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  drollere: i had 38...Rxg2+, 39. Kxg2 Bd5+, 40. Qf3 Bxf3+, 41. Kxf3 Qd5+, 42. [any] Qxa8. the game is over.
Jan-05-21  Granny O Doul: @ Pawn Slayer: White has a perpetual at the end of your line after 42. Qxf7+.
Jan-05-21  KevinDenelsbeck: Cool! I know it's only a Tuesday, but I found the better move than the board move. I'll take it!
Jan-05-21
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  chrisowen: <Eduardo Leon> Maybe ghosting was quite enough no.
Jan-05-21  AlicesKnight: I found what has already been described - I too am surprised Black took the R and then White settled for the R and not the Q. But, as also pointed out, feet-up-and-armchair conditions are different.
Jan-05-21
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  Messiah: <FSR: What <Infohunter>, <An Englishman>, and <Cheapo by the Dozen> said.>

I think you forgot the question mark, but anyway, here you are:

<Infohunter: Instead of 39,,,Qc6+, why not 39...Bd5+? Am I missing something?>

<An Englishman: Good Evening: Black has a variety of wins, the most curious of which might consist of 39.Kh1!?,Qd1+!; 40.Kxg2,Qd5+.>

<Cheapo by the Dozen: Cute. <Infohunter> has the main line, and <An Englishman> disposed of the primary alternate.

Either way, Black removes one of the pieces that were threatening mate at h8.>

Jan-05-21
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  Once: I think what we have here is a fine practical decision by black.

Possibly in time trouble he finds himself needing to defend against a mating attack with Rh8# and the a pawn rushing to queen (supported by the Ra8).

So he needs to look for checks and to get rid of one of the two white attackers (R or Q).

He spots one way to do this and plays it before his flag falls. Force the white king onto a light square then fork king and rook. Once the rook is gone, white has no more tricks.

Does it matter that there was a faster way? Not really. A win is a win is a win.

There is also a psychological point here. The final position has black's king safely tucked into a fortress, the passed a pawn is blockaded and white has nothing to play for.

Jan-05-21  Argiechess: If the Creedence guys play chess they're surely smiling ...
Jan-05-21
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  NM JRousselle: This game is instructive.

The innocent looking 24 d6 turns out to be an error, giving up most of the advantage.

Jan-05-21
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  Korora: How 38.♔h1 ♖c1+ looks to me:

39.♔g2 ♕d2+ 40.♗e2 ♕xe2+ 41.♕f2 ♗d5+ 42.♔h3 ♗e6+ with mate in 1.

39.♗d1 ♕xd1+ and White can resign.

39.{K)h2 ♖c2+ with a perpetual (not 39...♕d2+?? 40.♗g2 and Black can resign)

Jan-05-21
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  gawain: Saw the rook check but maybe goofed on the followup. In a hurry I might have played 39...Bh3+
Jan-05-21  King.Arthur.Brazil: I do prefer 39...♗d5+ 40. ♕f3 ♗xf3+ 41. ♔xf3 ♕d5+ 42. e4 ♕xa8... why not? I don't have any pity of the opponnent, when I have to finish a game, because when you are less objective, you can commit some mistake -by his turn- which your opponent will have no pity, and will win, if he can.
Jan-05-21
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  Breunor: Easier than yesterday. Rxg2 ch is forced, the rest is then easy!
Jan-05-21
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  sophiephilo: what about....38...Bd5 39. Qxd6 Rxg2+ 40. Kh3 Bxa8?
Jan-06-21
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  Korora: <what about....38...Bd5 39. Qxd6 Rxg2+ 40. Kh3 Bxa8?>

38...♗d5?? 39.♕h8#

Jan-06-21
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  sophiephilo: Oh right. Thanks Korora.
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