|Dec-21-02|| ||ughaibu: Further to the discussion on the Bronstein vs M20 thread about the defensive play of Lasker compared to that of Petrosian, here is an example of Lasker winning from an apparently hopeless position. |
|Dec-21-02|| ||ughaibu: Yes, I cant recall anything remotely like this from Petrosian. |
|Dec-21-02|| ||PVS: Neither can I, although I am probably less familiar with Petrosyan's winning games than with those of any other champion save Euwe. He did not escape hopeless positions so much as play ultra-sound, ultra-quiet positional play until his opponent overreached. Lasker seemed to get into bad, or least odd, positions in the opening, which Petrosyan was not known to do at all. Both were great defensive players, but Lasker was so much more. |
|Jan-02-05|| ||ArturoRivera: Lasker had better defense than Petrosian???, i dont think so |
|Jan-02-05|| ||kostich in time: Laskers greatest strength in defense was what his bewildered contemporaries called his "staying power"...his ability to hang on in seemingly hopeless, passive positions, and find a way to win.Here is a case in point. After the 33rd move, white seems lost. He is,in effect playing a whole piece down..his "spanish" bishop entombed. But Lasker finds a way to win. By seeming magic, hegets a Passed d-pawn. |
|Jan-02-05|| ||Granite: I disagree with your assessment of Lasker's position after the 33rd move, it in fact looks to me as though white is winning in that position. Black's weak f and d pawns are juicy targets, and black is still a long way from making a passed pawn. White quickly cashes in his central pawns for a passer, and it proves decisive. |
|Jan-02-05|| ||beatgiant: <Granite>:
<looks to me as though white is winning in that position>
I'm not totally convinced. How does White hold this advantage after, say, 36...Nf7?
|Jan-02-05|| ||aw1988: I think if Lasker faced a not overly-reckless player in today's modern age, the way he plays, he would certainly lose. |
|Jul-12-05|| ||ughaibu: How about 37.Nc1 in answer to Nf7?|
|Jul-12-05|| ||Anastasia: my opinion: 36..Nf7 37.Nc1 Be5. once the dark bishops go, the black knight can get to strong square d4, defending f5 & b3 and blockading d3... black will win on the q side|
|Jul-12-05|| ||ughaibu: It's interesting, 38.g3 still looks complicated eg 38....Bf4 39.f4 Nd8 40.d4 Rc4 41.Nb3 or 38....Nd8 39.d4 d4 40.Nd3 etc.|
|Jul-12-05|| ||Anastasia: ok, but g3 weakens f3, so i would guess 36..Nf7 37.Nc1 Be5 38.g3 Ng5|
|Jul-12-05|| ||ughaibu: Yes, that looks strong.|
|Dec-03-05|| ||Resignation Trap: Lasker finally evened his personal score against Dus-Chotimirsky... after 16 years! See: Dus Chotimirsky vs Lasker, 1909 .|
|Dec-03-05|| ||Boomie: Uncle Fritz seems to "think" that black is winning after 33. Bc1. For example:|
33. Bc1 Bxb2 34. Bxd6 Be5+ 35. Bxe5 Nxe5 36. Re1 Nc6 37. Re6 Ra8 38. Rd6 Nd4 39. a5 Ba4 (-2.12/14)
|Dec-10-05|| ||beatgiant: <Boomie>
What does Fritz "think" if White plays the counterattack as in 33. Bb1 Bxb2 <34. Ne3> instead? Then if 34...Be5 35. Bxe5 Nxe5 36. Nxf5 looks fine for White.
|Jan-27-07|| ||morphyvsfischer: Where was Lasker the first 31 moves of the game? Good example of finding counterplay in atrocious positions (behold, the b1 bishop). Um... White went awry on moves 13 and 14, and should have preffered Ng3. 18 a4? is just bad. 23...f4 24 Bxf4 Nd4 25 Bxh6! forces 25...Bxh6, since 25...Nxc2? loses to 26 Qg6+ Kh8 27 Re4.|
27 f3 is unfortunately necessary.
28 b3 is expunged by ...exf4 29 Bxf4 Nd4 threatening Nxc2 and Ne2+
32 Bb1 Ne5 forces white to give up his only good piece to save the a4 pawn, the f4 bishop.
Black begins to screw up with 34...Bg6? 34...Bd7! keeping an eye on a4 but also defending f5 is necessary. Then...Nf7 and plunking a rook on e8 screws Lasker. Black also seems to hurry to win the a4 pawn and b1 bishop, as ...Nf7 kills all counterplay. On move 38, Black's win is gone.
38...Ra5 is better defensively, as the b1 bishop is worthless. 39...Rxb1 40 Bxe5 Be8 41 Re2 wins.
White's 40th move threatens 41 Bc2 Rxd1 42 Bxb3+ and then Bxd1. Why free this bishop, black?
41...Ra5 42 Re7 Nf8 is last chance for Black.
42...Rxb1 43 Rxd7; 43...Rxb1 44 Bxd4 Ne6 45 d7 Nd8 46 Re8+
Ugh... Chotmirsky must have felt like crap for the rest of his life after losing THIS. Lasker's optimism is legendary, though.
|Jan-06-17|| ||Howard: Steven Giddons analyzes this Lasker-turnaround in one of his books---just came across it last night.|