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| Apr-30-17 | | ChessHigherCat: <JimNorCal:> I'm with you. If you define Zugzwang as being forced to make a move that gives you an inferior position or loses a few points, then someday, when the computers have figured out how to win every game with white from move 1, white will start each game with d4 and announce ZUGZWANG! |
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| Feb-26-18 | | Big Pawn: Nimzovich was so creative, such as this game shows. What a genius. |
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| Aug-28-18 | | belladonne: hello everyboby!! can someone explain me why 9...cxd5 is better than 9...exd5??. Because it seems to me that in the second choice, black structure is more dynamic? |
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| Aug-28-18 | | Olavi: 9...exd5 10.e4 increases the power of Bg2 significantly, whether Black allows exd5 cxd5 or a weakness on c6, e.g. 10...dxe4 11.Nxe4 Nd5!? and probably 12.Nc3. So 9...cxd5 takes control of e4. White would have been better off with 9.e4 with similar ideas, except after the well known and good gambit 9...dxc4 10.Nxc4 Ba6 11.b3 b5 12.Ne3 b4 13.Ne2 Bxe2 14.Qxe2 Qxd4 15.Bb2. That, in turn, explains why 8...c6 has been replaced by (mostly) 8...Na6. |
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| Aug-29-18 | | belladonne: <Olavi> Thanks for your explanations. It will be more obvious for me now. |
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| Aug-29-18 | | JimNorCal: <CHC>: "someday, when the computers have figured out how to win every game with white from move 1, white will start each game with d4 and announce ZUGZWANG!" Good observation! Though you have a slight typo, should be "e4" not d4 LOL. |
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| Aug-29-18 | | RookFile: This game is an example of excellent marketing by Nimzo. Take a look at the position after 12 moves. White has a development lead, dominates the e5 square, and black has a lame bishop on b7. After Nimzo's 12....Nc6 white has a chance to cash in on these advantages with 13. Nxd5! but lets it pass. That's just the sort of move somebody like Alekhine would not have failed to play against him. |
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| Feb-20-19 | | Patzer Natmas: I'm a fan of Nimzo and was trying to make sure I didn't have a bias in my statement. Nimzo does mention "eventually throw himself upon the sword". 26. a3 a5 (keeping zugzwang)
26. g4 R5f3 27. Qxf2 Rxf2 (not a GM so I can't see all the variations but it looks like black would have the advantage). Also, since the game ends here (move 25), we can conclude that Saemisch saw his defeat was inevitable. |
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Feb-20-19
 | | Sally Simpson: ***
Bit of a marmite game this one. You either love it or think it's overrated. As kereru posted 4 years ago the game was ignored till Nimzo went on a "...propaganda blitz. He burst into annotational song..." http://www.chesshistory.com/winter/... Tartakower and Du Mont left it out of their 500 games. Winter mentions Tartakower liking Morphy's 33.b3 
click for larger viewin Morphy vs Loewenthal, 1858 as an example of Zugzwang. Personally it's a good game with that bit of humour added 25...h6 and Saemisch did the right thing by resigning to preserve the position for posterity. *** |
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| May-02-19 | | N.O.F. NAJDORF: 'Black can now make waiting moves with his King, and White must, willy-nilly, eventually throw himself upon the sword.' I don't get this.
Both players can now make waiting moves with his King, in which case the game will end in a draw. Surely, black has to play Rf3 and then wins. |
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May-02-19
 | | beatgiant: <N.O.F. NAJDORF> <Both players can now make waiting moves with his King> If White plays Kh2, his only king move, it leaves the bishop on g2 pinned and that allows Black to win by replying ...Rf3. <Surely, black has to play Rf3 and then wins.> On the immediate ...Rf3, White has Bxf3. |
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| Aug-15-21 | | MightyTal: Why resigning? Why not giving back a piece for a pawn, say Nc3?! |
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| Apr-13-22 | | N0B0DY: Don't sacrifice yourself too much, because if you sacrifice too much there's nothing else you can give and <N0B0DY> will care for you. |
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| Dec-03-22 | | sfm: 'Black can now make waiting moves with his King, and White must, willy-nilly, eventually throw himself upon the sword.' <N.O.F. NAJDORF: I don't get this.Both players can now make waiting moves with his King, in which case the game will end in a draw. Surely, black has to play Rf3 and then wins.> After 25.-,h6 is is White to move.
It is certainly true that the immediate threat is 26,-,R5f3. Nimzowitsch idea of White making waiting moves with the king does not make sense, as 26.Kh2?,R5f3 costs even more. The final position is not really a zugzwang postion.
Instead of White saying "pass", better is 26.Bc1, freeing the d2 square for the queen, at the costs of allowing 26.-,Bxb1 Now White can save his queen with 27.Rgf1, as 27.-,R5f3?? 28.Bxf3,Rxf3 29.Qd2 does no longer work. So instead 27.-,RxR 28.RxR,Bxa2.
White is two pawns behind, in a hopeless position. It is the immortal virtually-zugzwang game. |
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| Dec-03-22 | | sfm: <MightyTal: Why resigning? Why not giving back a piece for a pawn, say Nc3?!>
After 26.Nc3,bxN 27.Bxc3,Qc7 White is without a sensible move to make. |
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Dec-03-22
| | beatgiant: <sfm>
<Nimzowitsch idea of White making waiting moves with the king>
What Nimzowitsch wrote is that <Black> can make waiting moves with his king. It was <N.O.F. NAJDORF> who asked why can't White also make them. |
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| Dec-03-22 | | SChesshevsky: <...It is the immortal virtually-zugzwang game.> Yeah. I personally view it as more the immortal ultimate bind game. I'm a big Nimzo fan and think his "My System" and "Praxis" are quite useful. But his annotations usually don't seem very helpful. Like in this game. He doesn't discuss his building idea of an increased restriction of whites mobility and plan of planting the very disruptive d3 outpost. Somewhat like famous Garry Gambit, game 16, 1985 Karpov-Kasparov match. Not sure why Nimzo's analysis seems lacking. Maybe he didn't want to give away his secrets, maybe thought the concepts too dull for the audience at the time, maybe didn't really formulate the ideas consciously? But still a beautiful win that, with a little study, can teach a heck of a lot about positional play. |
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| Dec-03-22 | | sfm: <beatgiant: sfm, ...what Nimzowitsch wrote is that Black can make waiting moves with his king...>
Correct, thank you, I misquoted him. What is still correct is that there are no reasonable moves by White that would make a black waiting move a natural response. White only has 26.Bc1,BxN and 26.g4,R5f3 These things are of course details, it remains a wonderful game. |
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| Dec-03-22 | | sfm: <SChesshevsky: ... Not sure why Nimzo's analysis seems lacking. ...>
The Devil is always in the details, often meaning tactics and calculations, which can actually be a bit disturbing. Over the board he will of course have been a master in detailing, but right, as a teacher he rather focused on getting the main ideas out there. Reminds me of what they said about 'New Math': 'It is more important to understand what you are doing, rather than [initially] getting the right answer'
There is some wisdom in that. |
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Dec-03-22
| | beatgiant: <sfm>
<What is still correct is that there are no reasonable moves by White that would make a black waiting move a natural response.>White does have a couple of pawn moves left. |
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| Dec-04-22 | | sfm: <beatgiant: sfm:
"What is still correct is that there are no reasonable moves by White that would make a black waiting move a natural response."White does have a couple of pawn moves left.> But on _no_ move by White the strongest response is a waiting move with the king. (At least according to the engine) But maybe waiting moves are more enjoyable to play, and carries a psychological advantage into the next game. The engine will not have understood that. |
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Dec-04-22
| | beatgiant: <sfm>
Are you sure? After 26. b3, Kh7 scores -7.45 by the engine here. Which other move scores a lot more favorable for Black? |
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| Dec-04-22 | | sfm: <beatgiant:
Are you sure? After 26. b3, Kh7 scores -7.45 by the engine here. Which other move scores a lot more favorable for Black?>26.-,Kh8! :-) -8.29 (21 ply)
Best I found in the engine's view seems to be
26.-,Qf7, -9.07 (25 ply)
Why doesn't the engine suggest this move itself, then?? But OK! You have proven your point, in the sense that no other Black moves are significantly better than a waiting move. |
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Dec-17-22
 | | kingscrusher: The power of a rook on the 7th for a bind is really demonstrated here. The 7th rank often has lots of juicy targets and even pinning them can cause major issues like this game shows. |
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| Jan-18-23 | | generror: Zugzwang is evil (it's even a German word, so there), making this the <Immoral Zugzwang Game>, or, because that would be redundant, simply the <Immoral Game>. |
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