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Tigran V Petrosian vs Vasily Smyslov
"Pet Food" (game of the day Feb-25-2021)
USSR Championship 1961a (1961), Moscow URS, rd 7, Jan-21
Queen's Indian Defense: Kasparov-Petrosian Variation. Petrosian Attack (E12)  ·  1-0

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Aug-14-20
Premium Chessgames Member
  harrylime: <<moronovich: Please <Justin> You have a chance to listen and learn.
Why not take it ?>
>

GO AWAY

Aug-14-20  Justin796: Maybe it's because I havent read Think Like A Grandmaster. Tal is great. Alekhine is great. Fischer is a superb player, and I suspect the same to be true of Smyslov, not quite reaching that super GM status independent of Elo ratings. I'd revise my 'pure garbage' statement but I will say this: I'd probably win against Smyslov even after giving him knight odds.
Aug-14-20
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  harrylime: <<Justin796: Maybe it's because I havent read Think Like A Grandmaster. Tal is great. Alekhine is great. Fischer is a superb player, and I suspect the same to be true of Smyslov, not quite reaching that super GM status independent of Elo ratings. I'd revise my 'pure garbage' statement but I will say this: I'd probably win against Smyslov even after giving him knight odds.>>

My Cat would defeat Smyslov in an endgame now ....

Aug-14-20  ewan14: Smyslov was said to specialise in the counter attack but he did win the 1953 and 1956 candidate tournaments , and came 1st equal Moscow 1956
Aug-14-20
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  perfidious: Once Botvinnik was in his chess dotage, he acknowledged Smyslov's greatness, stating in a <NIC> interview that the latter was the strongest player in the world by the mid 1950s, though he would only succeed to the title in 1957, and that for one year in the face of a fiercely determined opponent set on regaining the crown.

The consecutive candidates wins and other fine results are tough to argue with, even for those who tilt at windmills, as we are seeing here.

It is clear that our chess tourist <Justin> is a worshipper of the great attacking masters of our past and lacks the knowledge or skill to appreciate players of a more subtle style.

Aug-14-20
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  harrylime: Seems like a <<Perv>> has bin smoked ooooot ere lol lol
Aug-14-20
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  harrylime: USER << Perfidious>>

You still using the cheese grater in your openings loike ?

Aug-14-20
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  perfidious: <harry>, in my OTB days, despite a predominantly positional style, I played some games with all the finesse of a bulldozer.
Aug-15-20  Justin796: The positional players are the reason world championships are now decided via rapid matches. Fischer was right about one thing, computers and preparation ruined a great deal of chess. I'm more of a Gary Weinstein fan.
Nov-28-20
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  Messiah: I think Smyslov was very good.
Feb-25-21
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  keypusher: "Smyzlov"'s name is misspelled on the GOTD announcement on the main page right now. Pretty disgusting. I'm off to Pro Baseball Reference to read up on Stan Musical, hope this is fixed when i get back.
Feb-25-21
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  An Englishman: Good Evening: Believe it or not, Petrosian *did* make a slight slip in the opening. He should have played 4.a3 then 5.Nc3. Iron Tigran scored +5 =6 -0 in his career with that move order. 4.a3, like 7.d5 in the KID, was one of those variations no sane opponent would ever let him play.
Feb-25-21
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  FSR: Smyslov was indeed a <terrible> player, one of the worst ever. He finished second out of the five players in the FIDE World Championship Tournament (1948). He won the Zurich Candidates (1953) by two points. He thus played Botvinnik in the Botvinnik - Smyslov World Championship Match (1954), which ended in a tie. He won the Amsterdam Candidates (1956) by 1.5 points over Keres. He then played Botvinnik in the Botvinnik - Smyslov World Championship Match (1957), beating him by 3 points this time. But Botvinnik came back to win the Smyslov - Botvinnik World Championship Rematch (1958), albeit by only 2 points.

Chessmetrics reckons that Smyslov was the No. 1 player in the world in 59 different months - almost five years in all - between January 1952 and September 1958. http://www.chessmetrics.com/cm/CM2/...

Twenty-four years after his last world championship match, Smyslov, at age 61, finished second by half a point at the Las Palmas Interzonal (1982), thereby qualifying for the Candidates Matches. He tied Huebner in the Smyslov - HŁbner Candidates Quarterfinal (1983), advancing thanks to the spin of a roulette wheel. He beat Ribli in the semi-final and thereby advanced to the Candidates Final against Kasparov, seeking the opportunity to play for the world championship for a fifth(!) time. Alas, he was no match for the 21-year-old Kasparov, a third his age. Game Collection: 99999_Kasparov-Smyslov 1984 Candidates final

Chessmetrics considers Smyslov to have been the best 64-year-old, best 76-year-old, best 77-year-old, and best 80-year-old of all time. http://www.chessmetrics.com/cm/CM2/... Sadly, he was going blind, and retired at the age of 80 years and 7 months.

God-awful player, this Smyslov.

Feb-25-21  Brenin: An impressive game between two titans. It is very instructive how Petrosian induces and then exploits weaknesses in his opponent's K-side position, cleverly ensuring that the Black Q cannot interrupt his manoeuvres.
Feb-25-21  Whitehat1963: Typical Petrosian Shuffle. Only the pawn ever ventures to the sixth rank or beyond. Every piece stays on his half of the board, crossing to the fifth rank only to capture in an exchange and retreat immediately.
Feb-25-21  goodevans: <Whitehat1963: Typical Petrosian Shuffle. [...] Every piece stays on his half of the board, crossing to the fifth rank only to capture in an exchange and retreat immediately.>

Here's a reminder of the final position:


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Just saying.

Feb-25-21  Whitehat1963: I did mention the pawn.
Feb-25-21  Whitehat1963: But your point is taken. Nevertheless, as is often the case for Petrosian, he mostly confines his pieces to his side of the board, until the end. Even then, his pieces donít venture far.
Feb-25-21  goodevans: <Whitehat1963> When my son was quite young we were in a restaurant. Sat a few tables away, an obese man was struggling to reach the large plate of food on the table in front of him. Observing that the man had got himself as close to the table as he physically could my son turned to us and said, "That man is on a natural diet".

I don't think Smyslov was obese but maybe he just had short arms.

Feb-25-21  Whitehat1963: LOL! You mean Petrosian might have small arms, but itís funny anyway. I wonder if there are any games in which white wins but never advances beyond the third or fourth rank. I imagine it would be very difficult.
Feb-25-21  goodevans: <Whitehat1963: [...] I wonder if there are any games in which white wins but never advances beyond the third or fourth rank. I imagine it would be very difficult.>

I would expect it to be quite rare but as far as I'm aware, this example is a genuine game: F Bethge vs Legal, 1930

Feb-25-21  JohnBoy: <Justin> is hilarious. Smyslov was a god at a time when the eruption of tactics from positional superiority was being explored. I marvel at his light touch (to the extent that I understand it). But not so much in this game...
Feb-25-21
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  alussinan: <FSR> Thank you for reminding Smyslovís long carreer, in such an exhaustive way.

AFAIAC, I just knew his name as a real great player. Your comment is high above sandbox quarrels seen above.

Thanks again.

Feb-25-21  RandomVisitor: After 15.0-0 black has drawing chances with 15...Bf6 and a possible sacrifice of the h7 pawn:


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Stockfish_21022022_x64_modern:

72/84 3:21:27 +0.09 15...Bf6 16.Rfd1 Qb8 17.Be4 Qa8 18.Qd3 0-0 19.Bxh7+ Kh8 20.Be4 Nb4 21.Bxb4 Bxe4 22.Qe2 Rxc1 23.Rxc1 Rc8 24.Rxc8+ Qxc8 25.Qd2 Bxf3

12...0-0 also has drawing chances, again involving white playing Qc2 and taking the h7 pawn:


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Stockfish_21022022_x64_modern:

46/52 03:54 0.00 12...0-0 13.Rc1 Qd5 14.Qc2 Na6 15.Bxh7+ Kh8 16.Rd1 Rad8 17.0-0 Nc5 18.Bb4 Qh5 19.Bxc5 Bxf3 20.gxf3 Bxc5 21.Rxd8 Rxd8 22.Be4 f5

Feb-25-21  Whitehat1963: <goodevans>, good heavens, that is an amazing game!
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