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Harry Nelson Pillsbury vs NN
blindfold exhibition (1899) (blindfold), Newark, NJ USA
Semi-Slav Defense: Accelerated Move Order (D31)  ·  1-0

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Feb-21-12  Memethecat: <RookFile: Just another very interesting Pillsbury game. Haven't seen a boring one yet from him.> Yes! But he's not the the player he use to be. ^.^

<SamAtoms1980> your decision! ^.^

Feb-21-12
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  paulalbert: It was obvious that e5 gaining a tempo and opening the line for the Bxh7ch Greek gift sacrifice was up for consideration here. Making sure the Kg6 variation defense does not work after Ng5ch is always the critical test. The exact solution as here after f5 can be subtle. As Vukovic and Lasker point out, even Capablanca missed in his post game analysis of a game he won with this sac that his opponent had a defense ( f5 if I remember correctly ). I'm not giving myself credit today because I did not spend time working out the variations.
Feb-21-12
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  gawain: I looked only as far as 7.e5 B moves 8.Bxh7+ Kxh7 9.Ng5+ and I would have played that in a flash over the board. But I failed to see that NN could try 9...Kg6. Pillsbury's 10 Qg4 and subsequent Q maneuvering is quite nice.
Feb-21-12
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  paulalbert: The Capablanca game to which I referred:
Capablanca vs L Molina Carranza, 1911
Feb-21-12  LIFE Master AJ: This is "The Greek Gift" sacrifice ... I have a web page on this topic. (http://www.ajschess.com/lifemastera...)

I have added this game as well ... (see towards the bottom of the page).

Feb-21-12  Rook e2: Got the idea, not all the moves. What happens after 12..f4 in the final position? (If white plays his Qh7+ black takes on g5).
Feb-21-12  Rook e2: Nice second puzzle maybe, but I found a forced win after those moves anyway
Feb-21-12
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  kevin86: After the stab at the bishop clears the diagonal,then it's the ol' BxP + KxB N-N5+ wins horray!
Feb-21-12  pericles of athens: Fritz likes 10. Ne2!
Feb-21-12  gofer: I found a better move that 18 Rh7 in the <12 g4 variation>.

<7 e5 Bb4>
<8 Bxh7+ Kxh7>
<9 Ng5+ Kg8>
<10 Qh5 Re8>
<11 Qxf7+ Kh8>
<12 g4 ...>

<12 ... Qd7>
<13 Rg1 dxc4>
<14 Rg3 Nf5>
<15 Rh3+ Nh6>
<16 Qg6 Kg8>
<17 Rxh6 Kf8>

<18 Nh7+! ...>

<18 ... Kg8> (Ke7 19 Bg5#)

<19 Nf6+ Kf8>
<20 Rh8+ Ke7>
<21 Rxe8+ Qxe8>
<22 Qxe8#>

Feb-21-12
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  Jimfromprovidence: This is a good puzzle for me because I know next to nothing about opening theory.

Still, even though it gets messy with a lot of variations, the basic attacking concept is the same.

I got 7 e5 Bb4 8 Bxh7 Kxh7 9 Ng5+ Kg6 10 h4 Qa5?!.


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Now 11 Qd3+ looks to stop any counterattack. I guess now comes a pawn push by white after 11..Nf5.


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Seems way hard for a Tuesday.

Feb-21-12  psmith: <Jimfromprovidence> In your line, 11. h5+ looks stronger than 11. Qd3+.
Feb-21-12
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  doubledrooks: After 7. e5 Bb4 8. Bxh7+ Kxh7 9. Ng5+ Kg6 I opted for 10. h4 with the strong threat of 11. h5+.

However, I didn't analyze the position after 9...Kg8 10. Qh5.

Feb-21-12
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  chrisowen: Dig up 7.e5 Bc7 <Bb4 also, included> 8.Bxh7 Kxh7 9.Ng5 Kg6 in danger white in here I went with qg4.

A method by which in light recoup I this abreast in heading off black seeking consolance in g6 bad is exf6? Ace in it hole crap again is the ading to f4 10.f5 ti NN yet further up as soft enigmatic good Harry find every it is qg3 in rejoinder d7 I think the case is lost in hanging mate rh8 qxh8 and glove network it smothered in four.

Im negligent as to Bd6 Ne7 of it a plan for pxp in e4 have surely cadence in slide through bishop doesnt get blocked in from it e5 learn in king safety son but what allow ground for one like Harry rowing over niche in six move dug hiatus e5 in foot it a spate till culminate h4 squeeze brave.

Feb-21-12
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  dzechiel: White to move (7?). Material even (no captures). "Easy."

Well, the normal thought in this kind of a situation is

7 e5

followed by 8 Bxh7+, 9 Ng5+ and 10 Qh5. However, the black king can choose to come out into the fray with 9...Kg6, at which point the combination leaves the "Easy" realm and enters "Medium" or even "Difficult" in some cases.

Time for me to check the kibitzing and see how this game went down.

Feb-21-12  pogotheclown: Pretty straightforward Greek gift pattern.
Feb-21-12  M.Hassan: "Easy" White to play 7.?
No exchanges has happened yet.

I think everybody sees that pushing the paen is a forcing move that can bring results:

7.e5 Bb4
8.Bxh7+ Kxh7
9.Ng5+

Now different lines may occur depending on the King move to g8 or g6

A) 9...............Kg8
10.Qh5 Re8 opening room for King escape
11.Qh7+ Kf8
12.Qh8+ Ng8
13.Nh7+ Ke7
14.Bg5+ Nf6
15.Qxg7 Kd7
16.Qxf7+ Qe7
17.Qxe7 Rxe7
18.Bxe7 Kxe7
19.Ng5
White becomes equivalent of a Rook ahead.

B) 9................Kg6
10.Qg4 f5
11.Qg3 Qe8 (runaway from a fork with a discovered check)

12.Nxe6+ Kf7
13.Nxf8 Qxf8
White becomes slightly ahead.
Time to check

Feb-21-12  M.Hassan: In the text game, Queen moves to d7 to run away from a fork as the result of discovered check. This leaves the Rook on the back rank unsupported and hence White can make a move of 12.Qh4 because he knows that the Rook can not come to h8 to stop White Queen.

Also, there is a difference of

7.e5 <Bc7>
as against 7.......Bb4 which I think is a better move.

Feb-21-12
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  Penguincw: Messed it up. :-\
Feb-21-12  David2009: Baffled by today's puzzle (Pillsbury vs NN, 1899 1899, White 7?). Very late over here so, feeling lazy I put the puzzle position


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into Crafty Endgame Simulator (interactive link http://www.chessvideos.tv/endgame-t...). Against 7. e5 the ES continues 7...Bxe5 which seems to lose a piece for nothing: what is going on? Continuing as with the game line 7.e5 Bc7 and setting up the position a move later, http://www.chessvideos.tv/endgame-t... the ES puts up a stout fight with 8.Bxh7+ Kxh7 9.Ng5+ Qg6 10.Qg4 f5 11.Qg3 f4 12.Bxf4 Nf5 and now 13.Qg4 Nh6 14.Qg3 Nf5 repeats. Enjoy finding a win in both these variations meanwhile I'm off to bed. Very tough for a Tuesday. I'll catch up tomorrow if time permits.

Feb-21-12  Everett: Wow... 11..f4 is an interesting attempt at defense here, freeing up f5 for the knight. Thanks <david2009> for sharing this idea. Black will have R, Q and N to defend the K whereas white will have B, N and Q.... How quickly can White get his Rh1 or Ra1 into play?
Feb-21-12  zealouspawn: David, you probably don't want to play 12 Bxf4. Instead 12 Qg4 seems reasonable
Feb-21-12  BlackSheep: I guess it wasnt common practice back then for black to capture on c4 as soon as white has moved his LSB and Qd7 is just diabolical and loses instantaneously .
Feb-25-12  David2009: Pillsbury vs NN, 1899 postscript:


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is the position after 11...f4 instead of 11...Qd7.
<zealouspawn: David, you probably don't want to play 12 Bxf4. Instead 12 Qg4 seems reasonable> Quite right. Even better is 12.Qh4! winning a tempo: 12...Rh8 13.Qg4 Rf8 (to guard f4) 14.Ne2 though 14.Bxf4 may also win. Thanks!

I feel I have learned something new with this puzzle, namely the above tempo-winning manoeuvre.

Mar-19-12  Kinghunt: <<zealouspawn: David, you probably don't want to play 12 Bxf4. Instead 12 Qg4 seems reasonable>>

Even better still is 10. h4, threatening 11. h5. The threats are simple and there is no defense.

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