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|Dec-15-02|| ||pawntificator: Boy, white really appears to have a good game going for a while. What about 11. dxe7 Nxf3+ 12. Qxf3 Re8 13. Nd5 or maybe 13. Be2 |
|Dec-15-02|| ||pawntificator: or how about 29 Nxf5, that could work, maybe. 29...gxf5 30 Qxf5+ Kh8 31 Rxd7 Qc1+ 32 Kh2 |
|Dec-16-02|| ||PinkZebra: White can win the endgame with 12)Nc3-d5. The knight becomes the most powerful piece on the board. Now if black plays 12)...Qd8-a4+ 13)Qd1-d2 Qa4xd2+ 14)Nf3xd2 Ra8-a5 15)Nd5-c7 wins the exchange or the b pawn, if black tries 14)...Na6 then 16)Bf1xb5 and the black position crumbles. Black is in Zugswand. Had black tried 12)...Ne5xf3 then 13)Qd1xf3 Ra8-a7 14) 00 Qd8-b6 15)Bb5-c4!. So black must either give up the exchange or come out with his queen on a5. Since this loses so we must consider the possibility of Bg7xc3. This strange move of giving up the black square bishop is black's second best dynamic try. After all possible exchanges black is left with a possible passed center pawn against an outside passed rook pawn. Although he is still down the exchange. The move played 12)...Ne5-c6 allows black to defend f7 by threatening to remove the blockading bishop on e7.This move permits the other knight to defend c7. If then 13) Nc3-d5 Nc6xe7 14)d6xe7 Re8xe7 15)Nd5xe7 Qd8xe7+ 16)Qd1-e2 Qe7xe2+ 17)Ke1xe2 Bg7xb2 18)Ra1-b2 Ra8xa2 and white must beware of Bb2-c3+.This leaves black with chances.This move prevents the game variation which lost white a piece and is threatening to win with b6-b7 later after the perpetual check treat is eliminated. White must push the pawns on the b file to distract black from the opposite wing tying down the minor pieces. The push to b4 is good in that it keeps the black queen out of a5 and the white knight can go to b3 to join the game. The position almost looks composed.On move 25)Qf4-d6 looks very good with the coming followup of 26)Nd5-e7 attacking g6 and 27)Rd1-a1.Black must also watch out for Nf3-h4 also aiming at g6. The game from here on in loses it's magic due to errors. White still had 27)b5-b6 derailing black and threatening to win.RR |
|Dec-16-02|| ||PinkZebra: To pawntificator: there doesn't seem to be a defense against the 29)Nxf5,you're right. |
|Dec-16-02|| ||pawntificator: I was right!!! :) |
|Dec-16-02|| ||Sneaky: Not so fast... =) One possible defense is 29 Nxf5 gxf5 30 Qxf5+ Kh8 31 Rxd7 Rc1+ 32 Qxc1 Qxd7, and I think Black can at least draw with the extra bishop. (Although I might be wrong, that's a difficult ending to evaluate!) |
|Sep-21-04|| ||pointguard: i know that it's been almost 2 years since anyone has commented on this game. However, i looked at the comments, especially over 29. Nxf5, and i have to disagree. My way of reasoning in reviewing games between masters is to ask why the other master did not play the suggested move? I think I know why in this game. if White plays Nxf5, Black responds with Qc2, renewing the threat 2 moves prior. White, then, has no adequate defense to that move. 29.Rd2, 29. Qd2, and 29.Qf3 all fail as each move loses a piece. |
|Sep-21-04|| ||DWINS: <pointguard>, I don't think your line works.|
After 29.Nxf5 Qc2 30.Nxg7 Qxf2+ 31.Kh1 what does Black do? If he takes the knight with 31...Kxg7 he is completely lost after 32.Qxd7+
|Sep-22-04|| ||pointguard: I put the position into CHESSMASTER 8000 from after 29. Nxf5, using Polgar for black and Chessmaster for white. The Chessmaster recommends 29...gxf5, 30. Qxf5+ kg8, 31. Rxd7 and the different move was ...Rb1+ forcing the rook trades. The game later ended in a draw some 40+ moves later, though. I just thought it would be interesting to know. So, in the actual game it seems that 29. h4 actually loses for White as Black evidently shows us. BY the way I see the error in my ways from previous comments and I personally wouldn't want to see the game played out after 32. Qxd7+ Qf7. Somehow that b-pawn scares me. |
|Dec-21-05|| ||rogl: <pawnitificator> Judit's move 10...Nxe5 was listed in the 100 most amazing moves of all times by some guy(don't remember who). If 11.dxe7 then 11...Re8!!. The point being 12.exd8Q Nxf3 is mate and if white tries Nxe5 Bxe5 before dxe8Q then Bxc3 mates.|
|Dec-21-05|| ||Jim Bartle: Was that the list compiled by Tim Krabbe?|
|Jan-23-06|| ||rogl: <Jim Bartle> Yep, I found it. It was nr 58 on that list. Not bad from a 13-year old.|
|Oct-13-08|| ||An Englishman: Good Evening: What about <PinkZebra's> recommendation of 12.Nd5? It looks quite interesting.|
|Oct-13-08|| ||newzild: Apart from the astonishing 10...Nxe5!, 29...Rd2! was also a beauty.|
Black's hypermodern strategy triumphs, but it wasn't the most convincing win, despite the two cracking good moves by Judit.
|Oct-13-08|| ||Sularus: judit was around 13 at that time|
|Oct-13-08|| ||PhilFeeley: I would have thought 11...Re8 would be considered more amazing than 10...Nxe5.|
|Oct-13-08|| ||kevin86: I would have liked to see the look on white's face had he replied 12 ♗xd8?? ♘xf3#.|
|Oct-13-08|| ||ThePawnOTron2: <kevin86: I would have liked to see
the look on white's face had he replied 12 ♗xd8?? ♘xf3#.>|
kevin86, that is true! 12.Bxd8?? falls victim to a [discovered double checkmate] (12...Nxf3#).
|Oct-13-08|| ||MikeChesss: If 12...Nf3+ couldn't white just reply with 13 Kf1?|
|Oct-13-08|| ||DoubleCheck: 29. ...Rd2!
fastastic innovations by black
even when white was threatening mate next move black still marches his pawn down and note that if king had taken the pawn(to save queen moving and to retain the threat of mate)
Black was threatening Qh1+!
39. Kxf3?! Qh1+!
and now the threat is very problematic for white since
40. Kf4 is met with 40...Qe4# Mate
40. Kg4 is met with 40...Re4+!
if 40. Kg4 Re4+!
41. f4 Qh5 mate
40. Kg4 Re4!
41. Qf4 is the only other alternative.
Good game by Black.
|Oct-13-08|| ||Microbe: Wow. I don't post much, but I just had to after watching this game. 11... Re8 was very impressive and 29... Rd2 is beautiful.|
I've always assumed that GM Judit Polgar's chess would be a bit over tactical for me to follow (I am very weak). Are most of her games this natural?
|Oct-13-08|| ||ThePawnOTron2: <MikeChesss: If 12...Nf3+ couldn't white just reply with 13 Kf1?>|
MikeChesss, after 12.Bxd8 Nxf3+, 13.Kf1 is illegal because there is a bishop on the f1-square.
|Oct-13-08|| ||pacorrum: Black holds back the queen until move 27, among all the fireworks... just incredible|
|Oct-13-08|| ||medstu56: 12.Qe2 looks stronger|
|Oct-13-08|| ||ThePawnOTron2: <medstu56: 12.Qe2 looks stronger>|
12.Qe2 Nxf3+ 13.Qxf3 Bxc3+ 14.Qxc3 Nc6 looks equal. 12.Bxb5, seems to be quite good for White.
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