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|Nov-12-08|| ||Check It Out: <confuse: <zooter> good comments. I had the same thought. : )>|
Exactly what I was thinking :)
|Nov-12-08|| ||cn1ght: I looked at B-g6 but then I I didn't check for a continuation after ...Q-e6 as I simply assumed Black's position would hold then I noticed B-h7 winning the exchange with a probable won endgame... According to my computer B-h7 does still win, just nowhere near as nicely as the test move :(|
|May-22-09|| ||dwavechess: 17/23 concur with Rybka 3 at 3 min. per move for Kiril Georgiev|
|Mar-25-16|| ||PJs Studio: I'm a huge Shirov fan and I'm not surprised he missed Bg6!! It's an outstanding move. Plus, what else is he going to play 25...Qe6 while better, runs into similar awful tactics for black.|
|Sep-18-19|| ||Otoy: <chrisowen: I spotted it also, 23..Qe6 forces bishop for queen. These puzzle positions hold wonder, Georgiev must've had a Biely good time.>|
I'm gonna find out how he's going to post his message this time around.
|Sep-18-19|| ||Walter Glattke: 23.-Qc5 24.Qxf6+ Kd7 25.Qxf7+ Kc6 26.Qxg8 Qxe3+ 27.Kh1 Qg5!? 28.Qd5+ wins.|
|Sep-18-19|| ||agb2002: White has a bishop for a knight and a pawn.
The rook on d1 x-rays the black queen. This suggests Bg6 and Bh7.
In the case of 23.Bh7 Qxg2+ 24.Qxg2 Rxg2+ 25.Kxg2 Rxh7 White still has a lot of work ahead.
In the case of 23.Bg6:
A) 23... Qe6 24.Bf5 traps the queen.
B) 23... Qxd1 24.Qxf6+ (24.Rxd1 Rhxg6 25.g3 h4) 24... Kd7 (24... Kf8 25.Qxf7#; 24... Ke8 25.Qxf7+ Kd8 26.Qxg8+ and 27.Rxd1 wins) 25.Qxf7+ Kc6 (else 26.Qxg8+ and 27.Rxd1) 26.Be4+ followed by 27.Rxd1 wins decisive material.
C) 23... Rhxg6 24.Rxd5 Rxg2+ 25.Qxg2 Rxg2+ 26.Kxg2 wins too much material.
D) 23... Qb5(c5,c6) 24.Qxf6+ Kd7 25.Qxf7+ and 26.Qxg6 wins a rook.
|Sep-18-19|| ||Cheapo by the Dozen: I found the correct line, but underestimated just how strong it was.|
Looking at the puzzle, it quickly becomes clear that the answer should be some version of:
A. Discover an attack on Black's queen.
B. Don't let Black get away with only a small material loss.
Part B requires averting a capture/check at g2, which is done via the game move of 33 Bg6. Two tactical points are:
If 33 ... Qxd1, then White has a lot better than 34 Rxd1 in 34 Qxf6+.
If 33 ... Qe6, then Bf5 traps the queen.
|Sep-18-19|| ||patzer2: So where did Black go wrong? The clear, losing move appears to be 18...Qc5 allowing 19. Nd5+ +- (+2.87 @ 32 ply, Stockgish 10).|
Instead, 18...Nc6 19. Nd5+ ± (+1.30 @ 31 ply, Stockfish 10) puts up more resistance for practical drawing chances.
Earlier, instead of 9...Be6, our Opening Explorer indicates Black has had more success with the popular move 9...b5 as in the draw in A Giri vs Carlsen, 2019.
|Sep-18-19|| ||FSR: This one definitely rang a bell. I was going to respond, but I'll just let my answer from 11 years ago stand.|
|Sep-18-19|| ||Steve.Patzer: I have not read all the comments yet, but what do you call that tactic? A blockade? A discovered attack on the Queen?|
|Sep-18-19|| ||saturn2: I saw after 23 Bg6 Qe6 (otherwise 24 Qf6+ or Rd5) 24. Bf5 the black queen is trapped.|
|Sep-18-19|| ||saturn2: So also Shirov does not like 5 c4 avoiding it by 4...Nf6. We were talking about this last week.
After 4..Nc6 there is also 5 Nb5 d6 (Qa5+ 6 N1c3) 6 c4 like Morphy and Fischer played.|
|Sep-18-19|| ||TheaN: Oh that's painful: former self beats current self. 11 years I saw it with all the variations to boot, now I just settled on 23.Bh7?! way too quickly. Critical part is that in 2008 I calculated <only> Bg6, now glanced <only> at Bh7. When you see a good move bladibla.|
Interestingly, at some point I started adding time to my solves but in 2008 I hadn't yet, so I have no idea how long I took when the puzzle was first used. Now, not even a minute, yet failing. As Bg6 was my only candidate move in 2008, may not have been that long after all.
|Sep-18-19|| ||malt: Got 23.Bg6 Qc5
(23...Qe6 24.Bf5 )
(24...Ke8 25.Qe6+ Kd8 26.R:f7 wins )
25.Q:f7+ Kc6 26.Q:g8
|Sep-18-19|| ||Cheapo by the Dozen: <Steve.Patzer>:|
The bishop moving is a discovered attack. Bg6 in particular is also interference with both Black rooks at once.
|Sep-18-19|| ||Cheapo by the Dozen: Long ago somebody suggested 29 ... Qxg2+. But that fails since White can just recapture with the king.|
|Sep-18-19|| ||mel gibson: Stockfish 10 agrees with the move and says:
(23. Bg6 (♗d3-g6 ♕d5xg2+ ♔g1xg2
♖h6xg6+ ♔g2-h1 ♘a5-c6 e3-e4 ♖g8-d8 c2-c3 ♖g6-h6 ♖d1-d3 ♖d8-d7 ♖d3-f3 ♔e7-d8
♖f3-f5 ♖h6-g6 ♖f5xf6 ♖g6xf6 ♕f2xf6+ ♔d8-c7 ♖f1-f5 h5-h4 ♕f6xh4 ♘c6-d8
♖f5-h5 b7-b5 ♕h4-f6 ♘d8-e6 ♖h5-h6 ♘e6-d8 ♕f6-f2 ♔c7-b7 ♕f2-f5 ♔b7-c7 b3-b4
♘d8-e6 ♖h6-f6 ♘e6-d8 ♔h1-g2 ♘d8-e6 ♖f6xf7 ♘e6-f4+ ♔g2-h1 ♖d7xf7 ♕f5xf7+
♔c7-c6 ♕f7-a7) +9.87/40 180)
score for White +9.87 depth 40.
|Sep-18-19|| ||Checker2: The bishop always stays on its own colour, but it can and sometimes should change the colour of the rook it is blocking.|
|Sep-18-19|| ||scormus: Ooooh, very cute! I guess even Shirov can miss it. I think there should be a new move descriptor for cases like this:
|Sep-18-19|| ||patzer2: Instead of 11...gxf6 ± (+0.70 @ 36 ply, Stockfish 10), perhaps Black can improve by avoiding the doubled pawns with 11...Qxf6 ⩲ (+0.34 @ 37 ply, Stockfish 10) as in Black's win in Kamsky vs Judit Polgar, 1994.|
|Sep-18-19|| ||NrthrnKnght: Bh7 is better|
|Sep-18-19|| ||mel gibson: <Sep-18-19 NrthrnKnght: Bh7 is better>|
Checked that on Stockfish 10 -
it leads to a draw.
|Sep-18-19|| ||Jimfromprovidence: Here's another nice one-move puzzle I found in my vault, with white to play and win. Move 14.|
click for larger view
Here is the game link.
Robson vs E Perelshteyn, 2010
|Sep-18-19|| ||perfidious: <Jim>, nasty, and surprising that such a strong player overlooked this variation of that overloading theme.|
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