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Daniel E Shapiro vs Jeremy Silman
New York op (1987), New York, NY USA, Apr-??
Bogo-Indian Defense: Grünfeld Variation (E11)  ·  1-0

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Jan-09-18  diagonalley: <phony> nice one :-)
Jan-09-18  stacase: Rooks don't "ride" Bishops, they squash them.
Jan-09-18
Premium Chessgames Member
  FSR: 35.Rxf5 exf5 36.Rh2 with the threat of Rh8# is crushing.
Jan-09-18  Olsonist: Anti-clerical violence followed by a queen pulling rank.
Jan-09-18  saturn2: Finally I saw this one but my first try was 36 Bc4+ However black can interpose on d5.
Jan-09-18  stst: Tue R-sac.
The Black B is attacking both the Q and P, and the only open route for White is the h-file, so get rid of this defender first: 35.RxB....
if (A)........ exR, then 36.Rh2 leaves no defense for Black. if (B)........ Rf7 (ready for a K escape?) then
36.gxR Kf8
37.Qh8+ Ke7
38.f8=Q+ Rxf8
39.Qxg7+ Rf7
40.QxR+ and the Black Q can leave the board.
Jan-09-18  Cybe: 35. R:f5!, 35... Qe4!?? :-)
Jan-09-18  lost in space: 33. Rxf5 exf5 36. Rh2 and mate to follow.

I also like the sadistic 36. Bc4+

Jan-09-18  patzer2: Today's easy Tuesday puzzle (35. ?) solution is 35. Rxf5 exf5 36. Rh2 +- which forces mate-in-three.

Black can delay the outcome to mate-in-nine by giving up material with 35...Qf3 36. Rf3 +- or 35...Rfe8 36. Rh2 +-.

P.S.: Black was doing very well until losing the advantage to White with 23...Ne4 allowing 24. Qe3! ⩲ (+0.29 @ 31 ply, Stockfish 8).

Instead, simplifying with 22...Rxd4 23. Rxd4 Rxd4 24. fxe6 fxe6 = (-0.02 @ 37 ply, Stockfish 8) or keeping the tension with 22...Nd5 23. fxe6 Rxe6 = (-0.09 @ 37 ply, Stockfish 8) would have held it level.

Jan-09-18  patzer2: For a possible Saturday or Sunday puzzle, I like White's gutsy 29. g4! ± to +- (+1.72 @ 29 ply, Stockfish 8).

Clearly 29. g4! gives up any concerns about pawn cover to defend the White King in favor of an all out assault against the Black King.

Jan-09-18
Premium Chessgames Member
  agb2002: The material is identical.

Black threatens Bxh3.

The open h-file suggests 35.Rxf5:

A) 35... exf5 36.Rh2 and mate in three.

B) 35... Rfe8 36.Rh2 Kf8 37.Qh8+ Ke7 38.Qxg7+ Kd6 39.Qxb7, etc.

Jan-09-18  patzer2: Had Black sensed the danger posed by 29. g4!, instead of 28...Qb7 allowing 29. g4! +- to +-, he could have played the prophylactic 28...Bf5 ⩲ (+0.49 @ 29 ply, Stockfish 8) to improve his survival chances.
Jan-09-18  leRevenant: Good POTD, making up for yesterday.
Jan-09-18  mel gibson: Stockfish 8 says mate in 10.

35. Rxf5 (35. Rxf5 (♖f2xf5 ♕b7-e4
♖f5-f3 ♕e4xf3 ♕h3xe6+ ♔g8-h8 ♘e5xf3 ♖d8-d5 ♘f3-e5 ♖d5xe5 d4xe5 ♘f6-g4 ♕e6xg4 ♖f8-e8 ♗f1-c4 ♖e8xe5 ♖d2-d8+ ♖e5-e8 ♖d8xe8+) +M10/44 19)

Jan-09-18  Cheapo by the Dozen: I actually chuckled at this one. Then I chuckled again at <Phony Benoni>'s post.

First time I've chuckled at a puzzle here. Strike one more item off my Becket list.

Jan-09-18  malt: Went for 35.R:f5 Rfe8
(35...ef5 36.Rh2 )36.R:f6
(I was going to play 36.Rh2 Kf8
37.Qh8+ Ke7 38.Q:g7+ Kd6 39.Q:b7)
37...gf6 38.Nf7 Kf8 39.N:d8
Jan-09-18  morfishine: <35.Rxf5> followed by <36.Rh2> and Black is kaput

*****

Jan-09-18  malt: <Phony Benoni> Nice one!
Jan-09-18
Premium Chessgames Member
  perfidious: More on the lines of a Monday puzzle; Rxf5 is only too obvious, as is the followup.
Jan-09-18  TheaN: Rxf5 is really not hard to see, and white can be sadistic with 36.Bc4+ but should probably just end it with 36.Rh2.

<Cybe: 35. R:f5!, 35... Qe4!?? :-)> I like this defense. Completely pointless, for sake of black just surrending a piece, but I would enjoy playing <36.Rxf6!> where pretty much only <36....Rxf6> defends against mate, after which <37.Qh7+ Kf8 38.Qh8+ Ke7 39.Qg7+> puts black in a bind he can't escape from: <39....Kd6 (Ke8 40.Bb5+) 40.Qxf6 Qe3 41.Qf2 Qg5+ 42.Qg2 Qe3+ 43.Rf2> and black is out of useful checks. And moves for that matter.

Jan-09-18  TheaN: Hm in my above variation <39....Kd6> <40.Nc4+!> is obviously faster, as <40....Kc6 (Kd5 41.Qb7#, not easy to see) 41.Bg2+ +-> white clears the whole board.
Jan-09-18  TheTamale: Super easy!

35) Qh8+!! Kxh8
36) Rh2 mate!

Only problem is, it <isn't >mate. This is a fairly typical "solution" I come up with. Gotta admit, it's at least more daring than White's actual play.

Jan-09-18
Premium Chessgames Member
  WorstPlayerEver: No no, it's 35. Qh8+ Kxh8 36. Rh2+ Kg8 37. Rh8+! Kxg8. 38. Rh2 Kh8 39. Rxh8
Jan-09-18  Strelets: This was one of those puzzles where I stared at the position for several minutes while waiting for the coffee to kick in. Once that happened, I thought, "Why can't White just sacrifice the exchange? Black doesn't have any real threats, had to cede the h-file after 31.g5!, and has fatal king security issues on the f7-g6-h7 light-square complex. Let's go for it."

It was a good cup of coffee.

Jan-09-18  BOSTER: It's difficult to believe that this is the same J. Silman who has authored many chess books.
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