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Vasily Smyslov vs Carlos Enrique Guimard
Mar del Plata (1962), Mar del Plata ARG, rd 6, Mar-??
Vienna Game: Mieses Variation (C26)  ·  1-0

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May-19-06  zb2cr: <En prise>, I try to increase the realism of theses puzzles by putting myself on a timer. If I can't solve it in 3 minutes, no credit. In this case, I couldn't. Another Friday puzzle triumphs over me :(
May-19-06  MorphyMatt: 1.99788978978797 seconds
May-19-06  avicell: 28.cxb6 seemed like the only logical choice since any other white move would have lost a piece or been mate
May-19-06  mahmoudkubba: I didn't understand 19 ... c5 at all. Any thing abt this game plz, unless my connection is unplucked or something that no one is hearing me.
May-19-06  Chicago Chess Man: <al wazir> in your line, have you looked to make sure black can't get a perpetual after 31 ... Qb1+ 32.Kg2 Qb5 33. Rb3 Qd5+... ?
May-19-06  dakgootje: One of the guys who got part of the line: Didnt really see a differance between bxa7 and b7, as i thought both would win, and i stopped analysing...
May-19-06  RandomVisitor: <mahmoudkubba>I agree. 19...c5 is one source of Black's problems.

White could have played 21.Bb5 and obtained an even larger advantage.

May-19-06  belka: I was sloppy and considered 30 ... Qd5, returning to the diagonal to stop the pawn.

The queen needs to stop the promotion via the long diagonal, but then White Rook to the 8th wins. Qc6 is more clever than it appears, because it not only stops Re8 for a move, but it threatens Qa8 to defend. Yet, the rook has another, protected entry point on b8, and Black must waste a tempo to safety his king. (How much Black would rather respond to Rb8 with Qxa7 instead of a king move!)

Now, after Qc6, Rb1 is the only move and not too hard to find OTB -- but it's not pleasant to find a hole like that in your analysis after giving up a queen for rook.

May-19-06
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  kevin86: I missed this one badly! Never left the starting line on this one :(
May-19-06
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  OhioChessFan: alwazir says<28. cxb6 Re1+ 29. Rxe1 Qxb5 30. b7! Kf8 31. Re3, with the threat of 32. Rb3. What can black do to stop the from promoting?>

<in your line, have you looked to make sure black can't get a perpetual after 31 ... Qb1+ 32.Kg2 Qb5 33. Rb3 Qd5+... ?>

<chicagochessman>30 b7 Kf8 31 Re3 Qb1+ 32 Kg2 Qb5 33 Rb3 Qd5+ 34 f3 Qd2+ 35 Kh3 Qd7+ 36 g4 hxg4+ 37 fxg4

May-19-06
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  OhioChessFan: < <al-wazir> what about 28. cxb6 Re1+ 29. Rxe1 Qxb5 30. b7 Kh7 ? >

<Open Defence> I don't quite see the point of Kf8 either. In any case, the same Re3-b3 maneuver wins.

May-19-06  SlashZ: Ow, man, Iīm the only one here that Suck at chess... I canīt see anything!
May-19-06  The17thPawn: <SlashZ> - Take heart! I am a hopeless woodpusher and remain so despite many years of attempted improvement. The important thing is to enjoy the game and try to improve your own abilities. There's always somebody better. To give you an example, I had convinced myself that 28.c6 was the move to play and totally missed cxb6.
May-19-06  LIFE Master AJ: Wow, I actually got it. (Exactly. I have been missing a lot of Friday puzzles lately.)
May-19-06
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  al wazir: <Chicago Chess Man: make sure black can't get a perpetual after 31 ... Qb1+ 32.Kg2 Qb5 33. Rb3 Qd5+...>

34. h3 or h4 gives the white ♔ a haven. After 34...Qc6+ 36. Kh2, black is out of checks: 36...Qc7 37. Rc3 Qxc3 (37...Qb8 38. Rc8+) 38. b8=Q+ Ke7 39. Qxb2+, etc.

34. c4 might work also: 34...Qc6+ 35. f3 Qd6 36. Rd3 Qb8 37. c5. Black has to use his ♕ as a doorstop while white plays c6, Rc3, and c7. But I'm not sure whether black's ♔ gets there in time to foil this plan.

May-19-06  chessmoron: <al wazir> then 32...Qd5 33. b8=Q-h3 34. f3-Qd1+ 35. Kf2-Qd2+ 36. Kf1-Qd1+ (which is a draw)
May-19-06  FLCLlove: This was a rather easy one, even I got it.
May-19-06
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  Gypsy: <RandomVisitor: 28.cxb6 Qxb5 29.Rxb5 axb6 ... and it is a matter of technique for White to win, possibly with 30.Kf1 or 30.Kg2 > e.g., 30.Kg2 Kh7 31.a7 Re8 32.Rxb6 Ra8 33.Rb7 Kg6 34.c4 Kf6 35.c5 Ke6 36.c6 Kd6 37.c7 Kc6 38.Rb8 Rxa7 39.c8Q+...
May-19-06  En prise: Let not your heart be troubled <slash7> unless my name begins with K and ends in V, (which it doesn't) I suspect that I'm a relative patzer.
May-19-06  mahmoudkubba: <belka>: ur kibitzing is looking like a news broadcaster woman or man. I my self apart from being a chess player do some sort of that sometimes if in chess as a mind sport or in otehr kinds of sports. Do u know the 50 and more chess notations? that happen when only speaking through notations.
May-19-06  RandomVisitor: <Gypsy>nice analysis...
May-19-06  jackmandoo: Thanks
May-20-06  mahmoudkubba: Apart from all who broadcasted their nice kibitzings I can see from <RandomVisitor> board that it is almost the right thing to do, if w. plays 30-a7 then either he/she wants to loose or draw or some mistake.
May-22-06  belka: <mahmoudkubba: ur kibitzing is looking like a news broadcaster woman or man.>

I didn't understand everything you wrote, but I try to write in this style. Notation and analysis is completely necessary when you're working out a solution, but it's not how we plan. Our plans come from ideas, not from notation.

Which of the following is easier to follow:

"30...Qc6 31. Rb1 (31. a8=Q Qxa8) Kh7 32. Rb8"

or

"The queen needs to use the long diagonal to prevent the pawn from queening."

It's just a matter of communicating in words instead of symbols. When discussing variations, yes you do need analysis. However, when discussing ideas I find actual words to be more helpful.

Oct-17-07  notyetagm: What a move by Smyslov, 28 c5xb6!! (Silman).
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