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Boris Spassky vs Robert James Fischer
"Fischer King" (game of the day Nov-01-2008)
Spassky - Fischer World Championship Match (1972), Reykjavik ISL, rd 13, Aug-10
Alekhine Defense: Modern. Alburt Variation (B04)  ·  0-1



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Oct-16-02  drukenknight: hey sneaky you like end games, want to try this one?
Oct-22-02  drukenknight: Skak: here is an ending similar to what were asking about. I was wondering if white could save ending K/R vs K/R/P. what if the line goes:

75 Be5 Rd1+ 76 Ka3 a1=Q+ 77 Bxa1 Rxa1+ 78 Kxb3

Is this an easy win? Let us know if you discover anything, I will gone for about two weeks. thx.

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  Sneaky: druke, endings are the weakest part of my game, I think. But in this case I think I can say with confidence that White's position is hopeless.

Suppose it does go <75 Be5 Rd1 (note: not a check!) 76 Ka3 a1=Q+ 77 Bxa1 Rxa1+ 78 Kxb3> Now all Black has to do is step his king aside and play f1=Q.

As to the general question about "saving ending K/R vs K/R/P" The two most important things to know are the Lucena position (a win) and the Philidor position (a draw).

I haven't 100% mastered these positions myself so I'm not going to pretend to be an expert on the subject, but here are some links that could probably help us both out a lot:

Lucena position >

Philidor position >

Oct-22-02  drukenknight: yes I see it does look hopeless. I was hoping that when it came down to K/R alone that the R could keep giving check. But if the black K gets to f3 and the R is still on the fourth rank then there are no more checks.

This game had already been botched in several ways.

moving f/g pawns on the 19th/23rd move. What is all that about? Lets strip the K's protection bare.

29 Nd6 is a nice way to drop two pawns worth of material.

35 Ne5+ Great lets exchange minors while we are behind in material. I wonder how many times in his career spassky did that? Unless there was some sort of mating net or ability to gain material back, I'd wager he almost never did that.

38 why not Bxh8? this not mentioned in OConnell's bio.

move 53, its probably already lost but why is exchanging Rs at this pt? black has 3 connected passed pawns which have to be worth more than a B. so why exchange?

Oct-23-02  drukenknight: Good links by Sneaky, above. Something for me to read when I am gone next two weeks.
Oct-23-02  skakmiv: 75.Bc3 Rd1 76.Ka3 a1=Q 77.Bxa1 Rxa1 78.Kxb3.

Is that a draw? I don't know...

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  kevin86: Spassky blew this one early,but he rallied to gain a draw chance,only to blow it with Rd1 at move 69-Rc3 draws--also he could have played 60Bf6 instead of f8-He keeps the bishop on the long diagonal AND keeps the black rook hemmed in.
Aug-24-03  ksadler: <drunkenknight> you said you want to know how Black wins, well it is almost forced.

and <skakmiv> to refute your claim

75. ♗c3 ♔g2! 76. ♖e2 ♖d3 and one of the pawns will promote and likely White will lose his Bishop as well.

Feb-05-04  drukenknight: Hello gang: Greetings for the New Year.

Let's start the year right w/ this strange game from a strange match. I dont think white starts w/ 75 Bc3 more likely 75 Rf4

is there a win?

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  Sneaky: DK you old goat, welcome back! It's been ages, where have you been hiding?
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  Calli: On 75 Rf4, Fischer would have played Rxd4 in nanosecond!
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  Benzol: Hi DK, welcome back. How are your wife and daughter?
Feb-06-04  drukenknight: they are well, baby is just over 5 months old, she is almost 16 lbs. Has never really been sick even though we take her to lots of places. I guess breast feeding is good for the immune system.
Feb-06-04  drukenknight: I figured you'd do that Calli, but it appears to break down to a tedious Q vs R ending. normally I think most would give up but several things: this game was adjourned twice I think, and spassky would have had time to analyze this, 2) he was behind in the match and no reason to give up when you have a somewhat novel ending 3) these Q vs R things are ugly but who knows there may be saving resources in there. I get something like:

75. Rf4 Rxd4
76. Rxd4 Ke2
77. Re4+ Kf3
78. Rb4 f1=Q
79. Rxb3+ Ke2
80. Kxa2 Kd2
81. Rb2+ Kc3
82. Rb3+ Kc4
83. Rb1 Qe2+
84. Rb2 Qd1
85. Rb8 Qd2+
86. Kb1 Qe1+
87. Ka2 Qf2+
88. Rb2 Qf5
89. Rb3 Qf1

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  Honza Cervenka: <DK> If 75.Rf4 Rxd4 76.Rxd4 Ke2 77. Re4+ Kf3 78.Rb4 f1=Q 79.Rxb3+ Ke2 80.Kxa2 Kd2 81.Rb2+ Kc3 82.Rb3+ Kc4 83.Rb1 Qe2+ 84.Rb2 Qd1 85.Rb8, then for example 85...Qd7 86.Rb3 Qa4+ 87.Ra3 Qb4 88.Ra6 (the best field for the Rook as black King stays on f1-a6 diagonal) 88...Qb3+ 89.Ka1 Qb7 90.Ra3 (90.Ra2 Kc3 91.Rh2 Qa7+ or 90.Ra4+ Kb3 91.Ra3+ Kc2 is not better.) 90...Kb4 91.Rh3 Qa6+ 92.Kb2 Qe2+ 93.Kc1 Qf1+ winning the Rook.
Feb-07-04  drukenknight: So yeah maybe 20 moves later down the road maybe he is cooked.

What do the books say about the end? Not too much, they think the win is obvious.

Feb-07-04  lordhazol: 9- a4 ? white gives up a pawn for nothing.I think a3 was better.
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  Honza Cervenka: <What do the books say about the end?> If I remember it well, we already discussed the K+Q vs K+R ending few months ago. The win is only a matter of technique and the winning method is based on enforcement of separation of opponent's Rook from his King and next winning of the Rook by a Queen fork.
Feb-10-04  drukenknight: I am talking about the commentaries on this game. What commentaries on this game specifically talk about Q/R endings?

Here is what the NY TImes Report (a published book actually) says: "75 Rf4 RxB 78 RxR Ke2 77 Rf4 f1=Q 78 RxQ KxR and blacks QNP would queen w/o difficulty. "

Al HOrowitz and Sam Reshevsky are the experts for the book.

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  Honza Cervenka: <DK> It seems to be that Horowitz and Reshevsky left out the possibility of white to force the Q/R ending, which is objectively the best defence here as it allows a little bit longer resistance. Of course, then the win would have been also only a matter of time and that is why Spassky gave up.
Feb-10-04  drukenknight: yes and bobbby saw the forced win on move 103 when he was on move 11 no less.
Mar-31-04  Master of Sacrifice: Of COURSE he did.
Apr-01-04  weepingwarrior: All I can say is that this is one of the best games I've studied in awhile. WOW!
May-25-04  byjorn: how can i send the games i like to my email?there should be a way to send it tnx
May-25-04  refutor: you have to go to "view text" and email it to yourself or else go to "download pgn" and save it on your computer
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