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Wilhelm Steinitz vs Philipp Meitner
"Meitner Might Not" (game of the day Dec-26-2004)
Casual game (1860), Vienna AUH, Feb-??
Italian Game: Scotch Gambit. Max Lange Attack (C55)  ·  1-0



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Dec-26-04  Marius: ah thank you <sneaky pete>
Dec-26-04  kevin86: Black made a wrong turn in the "Max" and was forced to pay-as the result,the king looked like a quarterback without a line.
Dec-26-04  Slayer772002: Take a look at the board after 9...Qd5. All the black pieces are developped and he got 2 high pawns, white got almost nothing ! And still ...
Dec-26-04  patzer2: My four-year-old grandson is already taking an interest in learning Chess, and I plan to mark this game as one to use later on in teaching him basic tactical themes.

After the deflection tactic 11. g4?! Qxf6?? 12. Nd5 Qd8, White's demolition of pawn structure combination 13. Rxe6!! starts a King hunt, utlizing a number of good instructional tactics, including pins, knight forks, discovered check and deflection as part of an overall pursuit (i.e. king hunt) mating attack.

Jan-29-05  aw1988: Could certainly spend a while analyzing this one, despite the fact white looks won the entire game; nevertheless..
Mar-31-05  colp99: Amazing game!
Jan-31-07  Holmstrom: Beautiful game by Steinitz
Oct-26-09  JG27Pyth: <Beautiful game by Steinitz>...

Beautiful? Okay, but like a Hieronymous Bosch painting is beautiful...

Mid-way thru guess-the-move with this game, which I'd never seen before... I looked at the insane attack Steinitz had committed to and I said, more or less out loud and certainly with an unflattering degree of self-pity <"I don't know anything about how to play this game! I've got a lot to learn about open games!"> ...

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  offramp: A slight oddity. After 18.Qb3

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and after white's last move

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The positions are very similar!
But 15 moves have passed!

Aug-19-12  LoveThatJoker: Guess-the-Move Final Score:

Steinitz vs Meitner, 1860.
Your score: 35 (par = 25)


Nov-03-13  davide2013: Guess-the-Move Final Score:

Steinitz vs Meitner, 1860.
Your score: 45 (par = 26)

I know, I'm too strong!

May-20-14  ljfyffe: Steinitz-Babson, Henderson, Fleming Montreal simul 1893 1e4 e5 2Nf3 Nc6 3Bc4 Nf6 4Ng4 d5 5exd5 Na5 6Bb5+ c6 7dxc6 bxc6 8Bf1 h6 9Nh3 Bc5 10c3 Qd5 11f3 Nb6 12Nf2 0-0 13Qe2 Re8 14Ne4 Nh5 15d3 Ba6 16g4 Nf4 17Bxf4 exf4 18c4 Qd4 19Nbc3 Rad8 200-0-0 Nb7 21Qg2 Re6 22g5 hxg5 23h4 g4 24Qxg4 Qe5 25Ng5 Rg6 26Bh3 Be3+ 27Kc2 Nc5 28Qh5 Qf6 29Nce4 Qd4 30Nxc5 Qxc5 31Be6 Rh6 32Qf7+ Kh8 33Qc7 Rf8 34Nf7 Kh7 35N×h6 Kxh6 36Rh2 Bb5 37Rg2 Ba4+ 38b3 Bd4 39Rdg1 Qa3 40Rg6 Kh5 41R1g5 Kxh4 42Rg4 Kh5 43R6g5 Kh6 44Rh5 K×h5 45Bf7+ 1-0
Dec-27-14  jasmin: Why not 9...Qf6?
Dec-27-14  sneaky pete: Here's why:
H Heider vs J Platz, 1920
May-06-20  martin moller: Can anyboby help me out ? I have a book by A.Karpov and he says that Staunton suggested 15.Bh6!? - Kf7. 16.Qf3+ - Kxf6. 17.Re1+ - Kd6?! 18.Bf4+ - Ne5. 19.Bxe5+ - Kc6. 20.Nf6+ Well I am not a good chessplayer, but I don´t understand the move 15.Bh6.
May-06-20  Granny O Doul: If by "don't understand" you mean "what if he takes it?", the answer is 16. Nf6+ wins the queen. Instead, if the black queen takes either knight, the survivor knight plays a forking check on c7.
May-06-20  martin moller: <Granny O Doul> Thank you for your answer, That means that Staunton would rather play 15.Bh6 for the sake of development of pieces ?
May-06-20  Granny O Doul: I guess that is the idea, but I wlll say I don't see how White continues the attack if Black plays 17...Ne5 in the line you quote.
May-09-20  martin moller: How about : 18.Rxe5+ Kxe5 19.Qf4+ Ke6 20.Nxc7+ Ke7 21.Bg5#
Jan-30-21  Gaito: If we analyze this interesting short game under the light of some powerful computer engines (Stockfish 12, LcZero, Komodo 13-64 bit), we soon discover that both sides made quite a number of mistakes and inaccuracies. The following diagrams depict some of the critical moments:

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Black played 9...Qd5?! The machines quickly dismiss that move as a dubious move, and suggest the stronger 9...g6!, with an evaluation slightly favorable for Black. But the first gross blunder came later, in the following position:

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Black played here 11...Qxf6?? which is a losing blunder. Correct was 11...Qg6!, and according to the engines, Black stands better. But later it was White's turn to go wrong and throw away his advantage. Take a look at the following position:

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Steinitz played 15.Qe2? which seems to be a logical developing move, but according to the engine, that move throws away White's advantage in view of the strong reply 15...Kf7!, a defense that unfortunately for Black, he did not see (Steinitz was lucky). The correct move in the diagram was 15.Ndxc7+. So that, after 15.Qe2?, it was Black's turn to blunder again with the awful move 15...Be7?? That mistake gave Steinitz a new chance to seize the initiative and shine. Lastly, take a look at the folowing diagram:

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The engines are of the opinion that 19.Bf4! is the quickest way to win. Steinitz played 19.f4 which is a good move, but with much lower computer evaluation. So that, after 19.f4?! Nxg4? (much better was 19...Qb4) 20.Ng5+ Kg6, Steintz missed a forced mate (according to Stockfish 12) that would have taken place after 21.f5+! (the engine quickly announced mate in 19). Anyway, Steinitz played the second best move 21.Qd3+?! and won quickly after a few more mistakes by Black.

Feb-01-21  martin moller: <Gaito> Hello from Denmark I have the book :The life and games of Carlos Torre. Very interesting book and Torre was an interesting chessplayer.
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  MissScarlett: The book was more interesting than the player? Surely the other way round.
Jul-12-21  Gaito: <martin moller: <Gaito> Hello from Denmark I have the book :The life and games of Carlos Torre. Very interesting book and Torre was an interesting chessplayer.>

Thanks. I must say that Taylor Kingston helped me a lot with that book. I insisted that he should appear as a co-author, but he did not want to. Many years later he seemed to change his mind. I believe that the book "The Life and Games of Carlos Torre" was authored by both me and Taylor Kingston, even though I appear as the only author.

Jul-12-21  Jean Defuse: ...

<Gaito> can you say something about this Carlos Torre Repetto game?


Jul-25-21  Gaito: < Jean Defuse: ...
<Gaito> can you say something about this Carlos Torre Repetto game?>

Woow. I had never seen that game, Jean Defuse. Thanks for sharing it!

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