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| Jun-15-04 | | Whitehat1963: I can't decide which move I like most, but 15. Nxd7 seems to be the best candidate. |
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| Feb-12-05 | | aw1988: To the above issue of studying endgames reminds me of a very amusing quote: Why do players bother trading off pieces when they do not know the endgame? The answer is simple; not for the fact that they hope the opponent does not know it either, but for the fact that both parties are sure to be lost at any given stage! |
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| Dec-16-08 | | WhiteRook48: The 1st world champion doesn't need the Queen! |
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Oct-23-11
 | | Peligroso Patzer: <Catfriend: *** And to the issue: learning endgames gives you a much better understanding of the position regardless the playing-phase! So studying it will improve you at all the game!> In this vein, there is an old saying: If you study openings, you will learn openings. If you study endgames, you will learn chess. Nevertheless, this game is certainly a highly entertaining and aesthetically satisfying example of play in the great romantic style from the master of positional chess. |
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Oct-23-11
| | Peligroso Patzer: <kevin86: Very similar finish to Anderssen's immortal game. *** > Also interesting is to compare Steinitz’s opening play with this game by Anderssen from 11 years earlier: Anderssen vs Mayet, 1851 Steinitz with <8. Ba3!> improves on Anderssen’s <8. e5?!>, demonstrating that when he played in the romantic style (as was his trademark in his youth), Steinitz could out-Anderssen even Anderssen himself. |
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| Nov-24-13 | | Mostolesdude: wow time flies, it's been almost 10 years since I first commented on this game.... *cries* |
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| Jul-24-18 | | andrewjsacks: The end is reminiscent of you know what timeless classic. |
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Jul-24-18
 | | OrangeTulip: Zuckertort also played a dozens of highly entertaining Evans gambits |
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Jul-24-18
 | | offramp: Ed Pilhal was known as <the Austrian Morphy>, but here he loses badly. |
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Jul-24-18
 | | FSR: <andrewjsacks> I'm not sure what game you have in mind. |
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| Jul-24-18 | | Autoreparaturwerkbau: <FSR: <andrewjsacks> I'm not sure what game you have in mind.> I suppose the Evergreen game: Anderssen vs Dufresne, 1852 When i saw today's GOTD, the Evergreen game came to my mind instantly. They are similar in many ways. |
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Jul-24-18
| | takchess: Offramp, Given some of my recent chess club games. I am now known as the <American Ed Pilhal> ... Cheers. |
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| Jul-24-18 | | Howard: As Evans stated in Fischer's M60MG, "two playing styles could hardly be more dissimilar"--referring to Steintz and Morphy. But it's been said that in Steintz's younger days, he wasn't really the ironclad positional player he was later known to be. |
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Jul-24-18
 | | PawnSac: < WhiteRook48: The 1st world champion doesn't need the Queen! > he needed it to SAC it |
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| Jul-24-18 | | cormier: 
click for larger viewAnalysis by Houdini 4: d 22 dpa done
1. = (-0.24): 8.e5 Ne4 9.Qe1 Nc5 10.Bg5 Ne7 11.Nxd4 Ne6 12.Nxe6 dxe6 13.Na3 h6 14.Rd1 Bd7 15.Bb5 c6 16.Bxe7 Qxe7 17.Nc4 cxb5 18.Nxa5 b6 19.Nb7 0-0 20.Qe4 Rac8 21.Nd6 Rc5 22.Qb7 Rxe5 23.Qxa7 Rd8 24.Qxb6 Re2 25.Nxb5 Rxa2 26.Qc7 e5 27.c4 Rc2 28.Rd5 Re2 |
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| Jul-24-18 | | cormier: 
click for larger viewAnalysis by Houdini 4: d 22 dpa done
1. = / + (-0.43): 9...Ne4 10.exd6 cxd6 11.Qe2 Qe7 12.Nxd4 Nxc3 13.Qb2 Nxd4 14.Nxc3 0-0 15.Nd5 Qe4 16.Rfd1 Nc6 17.Rac1 Rd8 18.Qb3 Nd4 19.Qb2 Nc6 20.Qb3 2. = (0.00): 9...Nxe5 10.Nxe5 dxe5 11.Qb3 Qd7 12.Re1 Kd8 13.Rxe5 Re8 14.cxd4 Rxe5 15.dxe5 Ne4 16.e6 fxe6 17.Qf3 Nf6 18.Bb2 e5 19.Na3 Qf5 20.Rd1+ Ke7 21.Qg3 Nh5 22.Qh4+ Nf6 23.Qg3 Nh5 |
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| Nov-07-20 | | Jean Defuse: ...
Tim Harding - Steinitz in London, p. 28:
<Steinitz v Pilhal, Vienna Chess Club, 1860> Bachmann (game 5): this was another of the few games from Vienna in the first edition but it was also wrongly dated (as 1862). The earliest publication was in the Telegraf, 1:32 (5 August 1860, on column 1527), with the players identified as "Herr Wilhelm Steinitz" versu "Herr P'' Steinitz apparently had kept a copy, or rediscovered it, because on 29 August 1884 the New York newspaper Turf Field and Farm introduced it as follows: "We are indebted to Mr. Steinitz for the subjoined elegant little game (hitherto unpublished) which was played in the Vienna Chess Club in the year 1860." Subsequently it was reprinted in The Chess Player's Chronicle on 8 October 1884, and I.S.D.N. on 24 November 1888 (with the same notes). The game also appeared later in B.C. M. XVIII (1898, page 70), in an article by "Hobart" about the Evans Gambit, which appears to have been the origin of the incorrect 6.0-0 move order seen in Bachmann. That incorrect move order has been copied by subsequent sources including Pickard and ChessBase, and ChessBase also has an incorrect finish. . Almost a year ago <Telemus> discovered the correct move order here: <Unknown games from Wilhelm Steinitz 's early Vienna period> . [Event "Vienna CC"]
[Site "Vienna"]
[Date "1860.??.??"]
[White "Steinitz, William"]
[Black "Pilhal, Ed"]
[Result "1-0"]
[ECO "C52"]
[EventDate "1860.??.??"]
[Source "Telegraf 1860, column 1527"]
1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bc4 Bc5 4. b4 Bxb4 5. c3 Ba5 6. d4 Nf6 7. O-O exd4 8.
Ba3 d6 9. e5 dxe5 10. Qb3 Qd7 11. Re1 Qf5 12. Bb5 Nd7 13. Qd5 Bxc3 14. Nxc3
dxc3 15. Nxe5 Ne7 16. Nxd7 Qxd5 17. Nf6+ 1-0
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Nov-08-20
 | | MissScarlett: <cg.com>, always on the copying edge of modern chess research. Harding will be furious. |
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Nov-08-20
 | | jessicafischerqueen:
<MissScarlett> He can take it. I remember discussing Harding's book on 19th century chess masters with <john barleycorn> when it came out. I was extolling its virtues when <barleycorn> informed me that Harding was "Kind of like the Irish A.J." |
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Sep-09-21
| | MissScarlett: <[Source "Telegraf 1860, column 1527"] 1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bc4 Bc5 4. b4 Bxb4 5. c3 Ba5 6. d4 Nf6 7. O-O exd4 8. Ba3 d6 9. e5 dxe5 10. Qb3 Qd7 11. Re1 Qf5 12. Bb5 Nd7 13. Qd5 Bxc3 14. Nxc3 dxc3 15. Nxe5 Ne7 16. Nxd7 Qxd5 17. Nf6+ 1-0 > Are you sure? Harding has <6. d4 exd4 7. 0-0 Nf6> and <17...Kd8 18.Bxe7#>. The incorrect (and now corrected here) Chessbase finish, e.g. its Mega Database 2017, is <13...Bb6 14. Nxe5 Ne7 15. Nxd7 Qxd5 16. Nf6+ Kd8 17. Bxe7#> for which Harding says no primary source has been found. |
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| Sep-09-21 | | Z truth 000000001: <Telegraf 1860, column 1527> What is this? |
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Sep-09-21
| | MissScarlett: <Telegraf> was a Viennese paper; the column numbering system, I don't understand; Harding has <Telegraf, I:32 (5 August 1860, on column 1527)>. |
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| Sep-09-21 | | Z legend of CG: Thanks.
For cases like that, where I don't actually access the original source I like to use <"compound sourcing"> , e.g. something like this: < Harding SiE pxxx // Telegraf 1860, column 1527> |
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Oct-29-22
 | | fredthebear: A CG statement says that numerous Z accounts such as this <Z truth 000000001> and <Z legend of CG> have been disabled. |
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Jan-17-23
 | | Ziryab: User: Jean Defuse Does Harding explain what is wrong with the finish given in ChessBase? <Chess Player's Chronicle> gives only "king moves" for Black's last move. |
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