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Wilhelm Steinitz vs Augustus Mongredien
Match (1863), London ENG
Modern Defense: King Pawn Fianchetto (B06)  ·  1-0

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Jul-03-05
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  offramp: DWINS seems to be right:

16.Qh5 Nf6 17.Qxg6 b5 18.Bh6 wins straight away.

Jul-03-05  erimiro1: Sorry for being bored at today's puzzle.This 140 pls. year old sac, became so classic, that today it's done without thinking, like the famous bishop sacs on h7, followed by N-g5+ and Qh5.
Jul-03-05
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  OhioChessFan: Why is Crafty's line so passive?
22....Bc6 23 Qg6 Bd7 and eventually the queen rook to f8 and bishop to e8 looks a little better.
Jul-03-05  thorndeux: What follows after 20...Kf8? Isn't Black ok there, having the exchange for two pawns? Granted, the king safety is not very high but I can't see an easy way for White to proceed, either. If Black manages to trade queens he should be fine. What am I missing?
Jul-03-05  thorndeux: Oh, i see. White just eats the rook with 21.Bxe8 Rxe8 and is up two pawns.
Jul-03-05  Counterpoint: The half open h file is a dead giveaway.

<nasmichael> I'm not sure if I agree entirely with <crafty> - I would prolly push up the g pawn and manoevre the knight into mating position.

Jul-03-05
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  philidor1: After 22...Rb8, 23.Qg6, black's best try may be ...Re7, with the aim of seeking some degree of counterplay by doubling rooks along one of the files. Still, black is putting up only token resistance in a clearly lost position.
Jul-03-05
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  kevin86: The motive is obvious,but who would have the guts to carry it off? The Austrian Morphy,of course----or maybe we should call Morphy:the Louisiana Steinitz!
Jul-03-05  brainzugzwang: <offramp>: 17... b5? What about 17... Qf6?
Jul-03-05  Kenkaku: <brainzugzwang> 18. Qxh7#
Jul-03-05  halcyonteam: i think black still holds equality, if not for the white passed pawns.
Jul-03-05
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  offramp: He holds equality except for the irksome fact that he is checkmated.
Jul-04-05
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  Richard Taylor: I picked 15. Nxh7 but didnt think Black couldn't take it as after Nxh7 16 Rxh7 Kxh7 17 Qh5+ Kg1 18 Rh1 I saw Rf8 but thought it lost immediately to Qxg6 - I didn't look at Qf6 forgetting that I wasn't a piece up as one of the pieces in my 'victory' had been sacrificed..oh well I was interrupted by a visitor coming so I didn't get time - I thought that the problem was 15. ..Nf4 and spent too much time on that move...
Jul-04-05
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  Richard Taylor: yes a good game to see a great plan versus the Robastch - the combination wasn't difficult but there always seem to be so many ways of winning in these poetions 15 Bf7+ doesnt win but looks possible - well it might still be winning but doesn't so esasily use the h file - this seems fairly 'modern' for a 19th Century game. 21 Rh8 + is very nice and is a good one to store in the chess memory bank.
Jul-04-05
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  Richard Taylor: <DWINS: This is sort of a weird puzzle, because the more obvious 16.Qh5 Nf6 17.Qxg6 is much stronger than the line Steinitz chose> of course!! That is the line I considered...hence I solved thsi one... the move order is better... (but the last few moves by Steinitz in the game are instructive)
Jul-05-05  patzer2: Steinitz's winning shot 15. Nxh7! utilizes the demolition of pawn structure tactic to force an attack with just enough initiative and material advantage to win.
Jul-05-05  patzer2: The obvious 19. Qxg6 Qf6 sets up the neat pin and deflection tactical shot 20. Bxf7+! Qxf7 21. Rh8+!
Jul-31-05  dac1990: Mistakes of this game: 6. ...e5?!, 8. ...Ne7?, 9.Qe2?! (9.Bxf7+! Kxf7 10.Qb3+ Nd5 <10...Ke8 11.Ng5> 11.Nc4 Re8 12.0-0-0 c6 13.Na5!), and 13. ...a6?! cost black the game here.
Nov-04-07  frank124c: <drunkenknight>Your 4th move 4 Black--4. ... 0-0--is illegal. Please supply correct move and tell us the names of the players and year played.
Sep-21-08  I Offer You A Resign: Wow! Great finish!
May-14-11  theodor: <<dac1990>: Mistakes of this game: 6. ...e5?!, 8. ...Ne7?, 9.Qe2?! (9.Bxf7+! Kxf7 10.Qb3+ Nd5 <10...Ke8 11.Ng5> 11.Nc4 Re8 12.0-0-0 c6 13.Na5!), and 13. ...a6?! cost black the game here.> d'accord
May-14-11  parisattack: The pioneers are the ones with the arrows in their backs.
Jun-13-11  Thesaint8x: I think the main lesson of the game is that double fianhetto meant Black was behind in development and should nevever have opened center with e5.After that it was White win all the way with some more weak moves by black.
Nov-19-11  indoknight: maybe 14...a6 is preparing 15...b5 and disturb bishop in c4 . but its too late when Steinitz see 15.Nxh7!! brilliant!
Feb-09-18  morfishine: Mongredien plays well below his strength here. The following maneuvering game vs Morphy, though also a loss, is a better indicator of his ability: Mongredien vs Morphy, 1859

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