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Jose Garcia Padron vs Mihai Suba
Las Palmas (1979), Las Palmas ESP
English Opening: Symmetrical Variation. Hedgehog Defense (A30)  ·  0-1

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Jul-31-15  greed and death: As Everett said, 32... Nxf4 <was> obvious. The follow up starting with 33... Rxa2, on the other hand, was not.
Jul-31-15
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  agb2002: The material is identical.

White threatens 33.gxh5.

The black queen x-rays the white king and the bishop on g7 x-rays the knight on e5 and the bishop on b2. These details lead to consider 32... Nxf4:

A) 33.Qxf4 Rxa2

A.1) 34.Rc2 Rxb2 35.Rxb2 Nh5

A.1.a) 36.gxh5 Bxe5 37.Kh1 (37.Qxe5 Qxe5+ followed by 38... Qxb2 wins) 37... Bxf4 - + [Q+B+2P vs R+N].

A.1.b) 36.Qf2 Qxe5+ 37.Kg1 Qxb2 wins decisive material (38.Rd2 Qc1+ 39.Bf1 Nf4 40.Qxf4 Qxc5+).

A.1.c) 36.Ncd7 Nxf4 37.Nxb8 Bxe5 38.Nd7 (38.Ra2 Nxg2+ 39.Kg1 Rxb8 40.Rxg2 Bxg2 41.Kxg2 Rc8 - + [B+2P]) 38... Bxb2 39.Bxd5 Nxd5 - + [B+2P].

A.2) 34.Rd2 Rxb2 looks similar to A.1.

A.3) 34.Ncd7 Nxd7 with two extra pawns and a won position (35.Nd3 Rxb2 36.Qxb8 Rxg2+, etc.).

A.4) 34.Ned3 Rxb2 as in A.3.

A.5) 34.Ncd3 Rxb2 35.Nxb2 Bxe5 wins.

B) 33.Ncd7 Nxd7

B.1) 34.Qxf4 Rxa2 transposes to A.3.

B.2) 34.Nxd7 Qd6 35.Nf6+ Bxf6 36.Bxf6 Nxg2+ - + [N+P].

C) 33.Ned7 Nxd7 34.Nxd7 Qd6 transposes to B.2.

Jul-31-15
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  agb2002: My 35... Nh5 is met with 36.Qxf7+. I saw the obvious 35... Nxg4+ but don't remember why I preferred 35... Nh5.
Jul-31-15  morfishine: <32...Nxf4> Interesting type of deflection draws the target into the line of fire

32...Rxa2 was worth a look, but comes up a little short

*****

Jul-31-15  cocker: Such hard puzzles kill the response.
Jul-31-15  wooden nickel: White even pushed Black into 32... Nxf4, after attacking Black's knight with the pawn 32.g4 now White must play 33.Qxf4. ... he who says A must say B, at any rate, many players, might naively follow with 33... Rxa2, thinking a pawn is a pawn (i.e. at least 2 pawns for a piece), but it's much more, if White defends with 34.Ncd3 giving a new puzzle position with Black to play and win:


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34... Rxb2! 35.Nxb2 Nxg4+ 36.Qxg4 Bxe5+ 37.Kh1 Bxb2 38.Bxd5 exd5 39.Rc2


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Black has enough pawns to compensate for the quali!

Jul-31-15  dfcx: material even, black's knight under attack by pawn.

32...Nxf4 33.Qxf4 Rxa2!

Now white can't defend b2/e5/g2 at the same time.

A. 34.Rc2 Rxb2 35.Rxb2 Nxg4+ 36.Qxg4 Qxe5+ 37.Kh1 Qxb2 38.Bxd5 exd5 Black ends up with three extra pawns.

B.34.Ncd3 Rxb2 35.Nxb2 Nxg4+ 36.Qxg4 Qxe5+ 37.Kh1 Qxb2 38.Bxd5 exd5 with a slight edge for black.

Any other moves?

Jul-31-15
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  Phony Benoni: <Request to Puzzle followers>

It looks as though I will be without Internet access this weekend, and unable to update my collections. If someone could leave a quick kibitz in my forum referencing the games used, I'll appreciate it.

Thanks.

Jul-31-15  Cheapo by the Dozen: 32 ... Nxf4 was obvious.

33 ... Rxa2 was pretty easy to find.

But at that point I counted 8 possible tries for White on Move 34, and I didn't feel like working those through in detail.

Jul-31-15
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  kevin86: White has no defense as his position leaks all over!
Jul-31-15
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  LucB: <Phony Benoni> I can reference the Saturday and Sunday puzzles for you., no problems. (I'm sure I won't be the only one).
Jul-31-15
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  Jimfromprovidence: Here's an offshoot of the main line.

32...Nxf4 33 Qxf4 Rxa2 34 Bxd5 exd5 35 Ncd3 Rxb2+ 36 Nxb2?! Rxe5 37 Nd3.


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Black to play and win.

Jul-31-15
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  playground player: WWPBD? I only throw it out there as a question.
Jul-31-15
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  thegoodanarchist: <playground player: WWPBD? I only throw it out there as a question.>

Ah, yes, WWPBD? A VERY common abbreviation. It stands for "What would Paul Bunyan Do?"

Likely he would go out to the barn and feed Babe, his Blue Ox.

Jul-31-15
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  Penguincw: This week's puzzles haven't really been that hard, so who knows, maybe I could've gotten this puzzle here!

Unfortunately, I was only thinking about whether or not to capture the bishop on g2, or sac on f4 first. :|

Jul-31-15  saturn2: I calculated the game line until move ..35Nxg4. But then after 36 Kg1 Bxe5, 37 Qd2 BxRb2 38 QxBb2 I thought that white has one piece more, so I dismissed the whole line. In fact both have an equal number of pieces and black has some pawns more. - Elementary counting error.
Jul-31-15  wooden nickel: <Jimfromprovidence: Here's an offshoot of the main line. 32...Nxf4 33 Qxf4 Rxa2 34 Bxd5 exd5 35 Ncd3 Rxb2+ 36 Nxb2?! Rxe5 37 Nd3. Black to play and win.>
Excellent offshoot and not easy at all to spot:
37... g5! 38.Qxe5
(if Qg3 then 38... Re2+ 39.Nf2 Rxf2+ 40.Kh1 Qxg3)
38... Nxg4+ 39.hxg4 Bxe5+


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Jul-31-15  saturn2: @wooden nickel: <Jimfromprovidence:
Excellent offshoot and not easy at all to spot:
37... g5!
38 Qxb4 and now?
Jul-31-15  wooden nickel: <saturn2: @wooden nickel: Jimfromprovidence: Excellent offshoot and not easy at all to spot:
37... g5!
38 Qxb4 and now?>

nice try, but I think it mates:
38.Qxb4 Re2+ 39.Kg1 Qh2+ 40.Kf1 Qg2#
Jul-31-15
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  thegoodanarchist: 32. Bd4 seems to me to be White's only reasonable try to save the game.
Jul-31-15  BOSTER: <playground player: WWPBD?>. He'd ask:" Who brought the knight d3 to protect white Queen?" Better 37.Rf1.
Jul-31-15  haydn20: Just too deep for me. Yes I saw the potential of ...Ra2 but not all the whens and hows. This looks more like "insane" level to me--but I could just be having a bad day.
Jul-31-15  rahulthemoron: chrisowen reminds me of the blue people in the movie Avatar - the language is probably exact and meaningful in its own way, but not to us commoners, who simply avoid reading it.
Aug-01-15  saturn2: @wooden nickel nice try, but I think it mates:

Yes, after g5 white looses in any line.

Aug-01-15
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  patzer2: For my Friday Jul 31, 2015 solution I found 32...Nxf4! 33. Qxf4 Rxa2 but had difficulty with the follow-up.

The follow-up move 34...Rxb2! is essential because it is the only strong winning continuation.

P.S.: White's decisive mistake was 32. g4? allowing 32...Nxf4! . Instead, 32. Bd4! = holds.

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