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Duncan Suttles vs Pal Benko
Hastings (1973/74), Hastings ENG, rd 11, Jan-08
Hungarian Opening: General (A00)  ·  1-0

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Aug-17-05  mack: <some people call 1. g3 the Benko opening. ironic.> About as ironic as rain on your wedding day.
Oct-26-05
Premium Chessgames Member
  hesyrett: In the game of Go there's a term "gote na sente", meaning an apparently passive reply containing a hidden threat. Suttles was really good at that. I flatter myself that I might have played 10 b4 (ref. karnak64's comment above), but never in a million years would I have found 21 Bc1!
Oct-29-05
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  Benzol: 27.♘d5 Ouch, but this would have been a great game to have witnessed as a spectator.
Oct-30-05
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  IMlday: <Benzol> That whole tournament would have been a spectator's delight. The organizers emphasized creativity in the styles of who they invited.
Oct-30-05
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  Benzol: <IMlday> Was it this Hastings Tourney that also included Tal and Vaganian among the competitors or was that the following year?
May-13-12  Murat Gafuroglu: Hypermodernism
Sep-20-19  Walter Glattke: Maybe a grandmaster would play 23.Nxf5 exf5 24.Qd2 fxe4 25.Qh6+ Kg8 26.Bxe4 Rf7/Rf6 or 23.Rxf5 Be4 I don't know.
Sep-20-19
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  al wazir: The next time these two met, Benko played the Canadian Opening.
Sep-20-19  stacase: 23.Rxe6 looked like maybe thatís what White would do, but the Umptybump moves later win wasnít zackly obvious.
Sep-20-19  Cheapo by the Dozen: I couldn't figure out how to beat a defense that included ... Rg8, and neither could the engine. E.g., it thinks White is only +.18 after 25 ... Rg8.
Sep-20-19  hcgflynn: 25. - Rf6 is a bit surprising. I would have played Rg8 instinctively.
Sep-20-19
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  ajk68: Not much of a puzzle. Sacrificing the exchange is marginally better than keeping the rook according to the computer, but not in any way conclusive.

I actually can't figure out why the computer evaluates it as slightly better for white. I don't think the activity is better. Materially white is down. White does have a passed pawn, but there are still a lot of pieces on the board. Am I missing something? To me, these are the positions where a grandmaster would say white is better, but I'm just not able too discern a difference.

Sep-20-19  SpamIAm: Although it is in a losing effort, Benko also deserves credit for creativity for the way he won back his pawn with the dark-squared bishop (Bg7-Bxe5-Bc7-Bxa5).
Sep-20-19
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  WorstPlayerEver: Chess is a positional game. This is a good example of how not to play chess, but wreck your brain for nothing in particular.

Look at this line: 25... Rg8 26. Rb4 Ba5 27. Qxc6 Ra6 28. Rd4 Rxc6 29. Rxd8 Ra6 30. Rd4


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It is more a joke than a puzzle; it's horrible chess. If you deliberately want to see things like this.. why not join a freakshow?

Sep-20-19
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  WorstPlayerEver: PS it looks more like a battle between England and France: they both still won't understand much of a supply route as you can see here.

Little wonder they could not contain their grippe on the New World; they are completely mindless people ;)

Sep-20-19  charlesdecharemboul: I've got the first move and the intention of 25.Bb2, but not much more!
Sep-20-19
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  patzer2: For today's Friday puzzle, the positional, exchange sacrifice 23. Rxe6! Bxe6 24. Rxb7 ⩲ (trading Rook for Bishop and Pawn) is best play. It's not best because 23. Rxe6! is a forced win. It's best because 23. Rxe6! is better than the alternatives.

Stockfish 10 at 34 ply:

( [Stockfish 10 64] 34:+0.40 23.Rxe6 Bxe6 24.Rxb7 Bc8 25.Bb2 Rg8 26.Rb3 f4 27.Nc4 Ra6 28.Ne5 Bxe5 29.Qxe5 Qd6 30.Qe4 Qe6 31.Be5 fxg3 32.hxg3 Ra5 33.f4 Qf5 34.Qxc6 Rxe5 35.fxe5 Qxe5 36.Qf3 Qe1+ 37.Kh2 h4 38.g4 h3 39.Bxh3 Kg7 40.d4 Rf8 41.Re3 Qh4 42.Qg3 Rf2+ 43.Kg1 Qxg3+ 44.Rxg3 Rxc2 45.g5 Bf5 46.Bxf5 )

( [Stockfish 10 64] 34:-0.43 23.Rc4 f4 24.Nd1 Ra5 25.Re4 Raf5 26.Qe1 Ba5 27.Bd2 Bxd2 28.Qxd2 fxg3 29.hxg3 Nd4 30.Qe3 Nxc2 31.Rxe7+ R5f7 32.Rxf7+ Rxf7 33.Qd2 Nd4 34.Nc3 Qa5 35.Re1 Bg4 36.Ne4 Qxd2 37.Nxd2 Kh6 38.Kf1 Rd7 39.Be4 Nc2 40.Rb1 Re7 41.a5 Rf7 42.Bg2 Nd4 )

( [Stockfish 10 64] 34:-1.22 23.Reb4 Ba5 24.Qb2 Bxb4 25.Qxb4 f4 26.Nc4 c5 27.Qe1 Ra6 28.a5 f3 29.Bf1 Nd4 30.Rb2 Rff6 31.c3 Rfe6 32.Qd2 Ne2+ 33.Kh1 Nxc1 34.Qxc1 Qc7 35.Kg1 Rf6 36.Qe3 Be6 37.Nd2 Rxa5 38.Nxf3 Kg7 39.Ng5 Bf5 40.Rb1 Rfa6 41.c4 Ra1 42.Re1 Rxe1 )

( [Stockfish 10 64] 34:-1.36 23.Rh4 f4 24.Be4 Nd4 25.Qe1 e5 26.Ng2 Nf5 27.Bxf5 Rxf5 28.Qe4 Qd5 29.Qxd5 cxd5 30.gxf4 exf4 31.a5 d4 32.Bxf4 Bd8 33.Bd2 Bxh4 34.Nxh4 Rf7 35.Rb5 Ra6 36.Rc5 Bg4 37.f3 Bd7 38.Rc7 Be8 39.Rc4 Re6 40.f4 Rc6 41.Nf3 Rxc4 42.Ng5+ Kg7 43.dxc4 )

P.S.: So where did Black go wrong? Black's game took a slight turn for the worse with 25...Rf6?!, allowing 26. Rxc7! Qxc5 27. Nd5 ⩲ to ± (+0.58 @ 32 ply, Stockfish 10).

Instead, 25...e6 = (+0.06 @ 32 ply, Stockifsh 10) or 25...Rg8 (+0.23 @ 32 ply, Stockfish 10) would have kept the game level.

Black's game went from slightly worse to almost lost after 27...Qd6?, potentiually allowing 28. Ba3 +- (+2.93 @ 34 ply, Stockfish 10).

Instead, Black likely could have held it level with 27...Qd8! 28. Nxf6+ exf6 29. Bxc6 Ra6 = (0.00 @ 34 ply, Stockfish 10).

Sep-20-19  RandomVisitor: Adding to what <WorstPlayerEver> and <patzer2> have contributed, the 23.Rxe6 solution to the puzzle turns out to be even after an improvement down the line - 25...Rg8 - that is difficult to see in advance:


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Stockfish_19091615_x64_modern:

<54/73 2:02:57 0.00 23.Rxe6 Bxe6 24.Rxb7 Bc8 25.Bb2 Rg8> 26.Rb3 Rxa4 27.Bxc6 Ra6 28.Nd5 f4 29.Nxc7 Qxc7 30.Bd5 Qxc3 31.Bxg8+ Kxg8 32.Rxc3 Bh3 33.f3 Rb6 34.Rb3 Rxb3 35.cxb3 fxg3 36.hxg3 Bf5 37.d4 Kf7 38.Kf2 Ke6 39.Ba3 Bc2 40.b4 Ba4 41.Bc1 Kd5 42.Bg5 Kxd4 43.Bxe7 Bb5 44.Kg2 Bd7 45.Bc5+ Kc4 46.f4 Kd3 47.Kf2 Bc6 48.Be7 Bd7 49.Kf3 Bc6+ 50.Kf2

Sep-20-19
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  agb2002: Black threatens fxe4.

I've considered 23.Rxe6 Bxe6 24.Bb2 Rf7 but haven't found anything decisive.

Also 23.Rh4 f4 looks advantageous for Black.

Also 23.Nxf5 Rxf5 24.Bh3 and 23... gxf5 24.Rh4 but again nothing decisive.

Even 23.Qd2 fxe4 24.Nc4 Rf6 which looks lost for White.

I don't know but since 23.Reb4 is met with Ba5 and 23.Rc4 with f4 I'd probably try 23.Rxe6 Bxe6 24.Rxb7 and cross my fingers.

Sep-20-19
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  WorstPlayerEver:


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White plays an wins. Puzzle rating 3500 Elo

Sep-20-19
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  WorstPlayerEver: PS a few hints: the puzzle is called "Pinoy Knight" because it demonstrates that whatever Black will play, the Knight captures the Black pawn (now at e5) on e4 after 13 moves of painful accurate play.

Btw the endgame was reached 30 moves earlier with more pawns on the board, obviously. But I decided not to make it too difficult ;)

Sep-20-19
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  Fusilli: <ajk68: Not much of a puzzle. Sacrificing the exchange is marginally better than keeping the rook according to the computer, but not in any way conclusive.>

I liked it. It resembled real-OTB situations much more than the usual puzzles.

I think the best response was from <agb2002>: <I don't know but since 23.Reb4 is met with Ba5 and 23.Rc4 with f4 I'd probably try 23.Rxe6 Bxe6 24.Rxb7 and cross my fingers> ... also resembling the type of decision-making rationale that we use in real OTB play.

Sep-20-19  mel gibson: Not much of a puzzle -
only a 1/4 of a pawn in it.

Stockfish 10 says:

23. Rxe6

(23. Rxe6 (♖e4xe6 ♗c8xe6 ♖b1xb7
♖f8-f6 ♗c1-b2 ♗e6-c8 ♖b7xc7 ♕d8xc7 ♘e3-d5 ♕c7-d8 ♘d5xf6+ e7xf6 ♗g2xc6 ♖a8-a7 ♗b2-a3 ♖a7-g7 d3-d4 ♗c8-b7 ♗c6-b5 f5-f4 g3xf4 ♖g7-c7 ♕c3-d3 ♕d8-d5 f2-f3 ♕d5-a2 c2-c4 ♕a2-a1+ ♔g1-f2 ♕a1-a2+ ♔f2-e3 ♕a2-a1 ♔e3-d2 ♕a1-a2+ ♔d2-d1 ♖c7-g7 ♕d3-c3 ♕a2xh2 d4-d5 ♕h2xf4 ♗a3-c1 ♕f4-d6 ♗c1-b2 ♖g7-f7 ♕c3-d4 ♗b7-c8 c4-c5 ♕d6-h2 ♗b5-e2 ♗c8-f5 ♔d1-d2) +0.25/38 210)

score for White +0.25 depth 38.

Sep-20-19  Walter Glattke: Ra8-a7 Bb2-a3? why not Qf3xf6+ (Qg8 Bd5 Qxd5? Qh8#)
Sep-20-19  boringplayer: Thank you < Random visitor >. The defense with ...Rg8 was what I saw first, just like hcgflynn.
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