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Mark Taimanov vs Gregory Kaidanov
"Battle of Agincourt" (game of the day Feb-17-2013)
GMA World Cup Open (1988), Belgrade YUG, rd 3, Dec-06
English Opening: Agincourt Defense. Wimpy System (A13)  ·  0-1



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Feb-17-13  RookFile: Some have looked at 10. Bxc6 Qc7 11. Ba4.
Maybe 11. f4 bxc6 12. 0-0 is simpler. It just looks like some sort of normal Nimzo Indian defense, with the colors reversed. Can't be too bad for white.
Feb-17-13  Abdel Irada: <Wimpy Variation>: "I will gladly pay you Tuesday for a developing move today"?

In any event, what became of the archers? You can't have a Battle of Agincourt without archers.

Feb-17-13  Tired Tim: <In any event, what became of the archers?> the omnibus version is about to start on BBC Radio 4. The whole nation will tune in to find out what will happen to the 3 way battle between Lilian, Matt and Paul.( )
Feb-17-13  Abdel Irada: <The whole nation will tune in to find out what will happen to the 3 way battle between Lilian, Matt and Paul.>

While other nations are left to ponder: Who are Lilian, Matt and Paul?

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  HeMateMe: Hmmm...recycled pun? I've seen this one before, on this site.
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  FSR: That'll teach Taimanov not to play the Wimpy System! Who came up with this goofy name - Eric Schiller, I'm guessing? Wonderful game, though.
Feb-17-13  Tired Tim: <That'll teach Taimanov not to play the Wimpy System! Who came up with this goofy name - Eric Schiller, I'm guessing?> I have this recollection of some British players hatching this indifferent system in a Wimpy burger bar

"Archers" feeble allusion by me to the long running (60+ years) radio soap

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  FSR: <Tired Tim> It might be a better name than the "Toilet Variation": 1.e4 c5 2.f4 d5 3.Nc3. No s**t, that's what it's called.
Feb-17-13  Abdel Irada: I'm a bit curious as to which move defines the "Wimpy System" as such. Would it be the (rather timid) retreat 10. Be2?

And can White survive with (the "un-wimpy"?) 10. Bxc6 instead?

Feb-17-13  morfishine: <FSR> The Toilet Variation? Fascinating, never heard of it; I'll have to give it a go at 5-min

Now I'm inspired to create a whole new system. I'll name it before I even create it: I'll call it the 'Bidet system', useful for any opening...

(*Bidet system sounds much nicer than 'Anal cleansing system')

Feb-17-13  Abdel Irada: "Nescafe Frappe Variation." "Wimpy Variation." "Toilet Variation."

Is it just me, or have those who name our openings either given up on finding good names (because "all the good ones are taken," perhaps) or grown cynical?

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  FSR: <morfishine: ... (*Bidet system sounds much nicer than 'Anal cleansing system')>

Note that the anagram of Alan Shaw a/k/a <perfidious> is <Anal Wash>.

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  FSR: <Abdel Irada> The Toilet Variation is so named because its inventor was sitting on that implement when he thought of 3.Nc3.
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  perfidious: <UdayanOwen> Steiner can have a go at mine too.

<Abdel Irada> For the 'Toilet Variation', there's a good explanation, at least-that is where its originator thought up the idea.

Feb-17-13  morfishine: <FSR> This is the attack formation that White strives for in the 'Toilet' variation:

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The Black King has been flushed out into the open; White need only shut the lid and send the turd down the tubes

Feb-17-13  Abdel Irada: <FSR: <Abdel Irada> The Toilet Variation is so named because its inventor was sitting on that implement when he thought of 3.Nc3.>

Ah, the toilet. Birthplace and often final repository of most of our best ideas.

(With apologies to Matt Groening.)

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  FSR: <morfishine> Lovely explanation of White's objective. :-)
Feb-17-13  Tired Tim: Oh yes, I've read that book by Nimzowitch - "My Cistern" or something
Feb-17-13  rilkefan: 10.Be2 qualifies as wimpy. It just leaves black the center and a several tempi lead in development. Stockfish thinks this is -0.6 at 26 ply.

I'm not seeing why white failed to take on c6. Maybe there's some tactic I don't see that looks scary. At a depth of 30 sf says that the position is equal after 10...Bg4 11.f3 Rc8 12.Bb7 Rb8 13.fxg4 Rxb7 14.0-0 Ne4 15.g3 and white's better off than the game line, e.g. ...Re8 16.Nc3 Ng5 17.d4 to take some of the center or Na4 to activate the bishop. White at least has the g file and a little pressure on d5.

Feb-17-13  waustad: I'll gladly pay you Tuesday for a ...
Feb-17-13  Garech: <waustad> lol! I was thinking of using something along those lines trying to come up for a pun for this game! I thought it'd be a little esoteric. Curiously, I entered the pun used with "The" at the beginning - perhaps somebody saw it and made a new submission?


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  kevin86: Taimanov at last:then the winner drops his glasses!
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  Domdaniel: Not with <A. Bang> but a Wimpy...
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  Domdaniel: That's Andreas Bang, of course.

And John Cooper Clarke: "This is the way the world ends, not with a Bang but a Wimpy..."

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  Domdaniel: Speaking of the Toilet Variation, is it true that the Barry Attack is rhyming slang (via 'Barry White') for 'Shyte'?
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