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Mikhail Tal vs Klaus Darga
FRG-URS (1960), Hamburg FRG, rd 7, Aug-04
Sicilian Defense: Scheveningen. Fianchetto Variation (B80)  ·  1-0



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Mar-03-05  hintza: <25.Qxf8> Well, not much to analyse there; 25.Qxf8 Kxf8 and Black is clearly winning.
Mar-03-05  familyguy: then re7 hintza
Mar-03-05  hintza: <familyguy> 25.Qxf8 Kxf8 26.Re7 Qd6 27.Rxf7+ Ke8 and Black defends safely and holds a winning material advantage.
Mar-03-05  familyguy: qf8 kxf8 re7 qd6 rfe1 then what? i guess black could always take the rook with the queen
Mar-03-05  hintza: <familyguy> If 27.Rfe1 then Black shouldn't take the rook with his queen, but the hanging bishop intead: 27.Rfe1 Qxd5+ 28.Kg1 Nxf6 and White is even worse off than if he plays the (still losing) 27.Rxf7+ which I mentioned in my last post.
Mar-03-05  familyguy: good point i missed that queen takes bishop with check because if the queen did not check i saw that white would play re8 mate, but with the lines you gave i concede that my idea is wrong thank you
Mar-03-05  hintza: <familyguy> You're welcome! As in so many lines like this, the check giving the extra tempo makes all the difference.
Mar-03-05  pinballace: <Ernesto7: why not Qd8 after Rd6? or anywhere, just reposition the queen while protecting the knigth....anyone see anything wrong?>

Qd8 after Rd6 still loses the knight. If 25...Qd8, 26.Qxd8 Rxd8 27.Re7 black loses pawn or knight and position. I was looking at the play of 25...Qc8 then if 26. Rd6 then knight can escape with 26...Nb8

Mar-03-05  pinballace: Never mind. I just saw. Rc6 kills Qc8.
Mar-03-05  onyok: i was looking at this for a good hour and my thinking process is just slow.. please bear with me.. what happens if 25. Rb1 ?
Mar-03-05  onyok: never mind.. i didnt see the simple c3 defense
Mar-03-05  sergeidave: what's wrong with 25.Be6, doesn't that also win the knight?
Mar-04-05  AtomicPawns: what am i missing ... i thought
25 Qxf7+ ...Rxf7
26 Re8++
Mar-04-05  shortsight: <AtomicPawns> black wins with 26. ... Nf8.
Mar-04-05  drfelton: <sergeidave: what's wrong with 25.Be6, doesn't that also win the knight?>

Can't Black then play 25...Rb7, protecting the Knight and breaking the pin?

Feb-01-06  MorphyMatt: uh... is 22. Qh6 o.k.?????
Feb-01-06  aw1988: 22. Qh6 is an illegal move.
Feb-01-06  mack: <22. Qh6 o.k.?????>

It'd be fantastic, were it a legal move.

Feb-02-06  MorphyMatt: ah yes, bedtime for me
Jun-20-08  kellmano: I was reading this last night in Life and games of Michael Tal and if i was Darga i'd've played 13......g5, then taken on e5, then maybe fitted in ...f6 and ...kf7 at some point and won easily.

Tal doesn't mention this line in his notes. I can't decide whether he simply never spotted it, or spotted it and refused to acknowledge it.

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  keypusher: <kellmano> Tal would probably still be alive if he got to play against moves like 13....g5. After 13....g5 14. Be3 Nxe5 15. Qh5 Black is somewhere between deep trouble and defeat. 14....Qxe5 15. Re1 Qc7 16. Ne4 is also awful for Black.
Jun-20-08  whiteshark: <kellmano> It's drawbacks (weak square f6+f7, safe square h5 for the white queen, quick development of Ra1/Nc3) count more than it's advantage (♙e5).

My guess is that even Korchnoi wouldn't have grabbed it. :D

Jan-06-13  cyclingfrank: What's wrong with 27.___; Qc8? I know I must be missing something.
Jan-06-13  kellmano: <kellmano: <cyclingfrank> 28. Be6 looks pretty damning>
Jul-17-14  Bowen Island: Game 187 in Hellsten's "Mastering Chess Strategy;" provocation by provoking weaknesses in the enemy camp, particularly through 15....g6, then by exploiting the position of the Black Knight on d7 through a series of pins.
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