Jul-26-05 | | like a GM: If 23..Kxh7, then Rxd5! and then if Qxd5, Ng5+ follows. Else if 23..Re8, it is Rxd5 and if Qxd5 then Nef6+. If i counted correctly, black is better with 23Re8 than with the text move, but ofcourse my analysis could be wrong, maybe there is a mate, i don't know |
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Jul-26-05 | | ughaibu: Like a GM: after 23....Kh7 24.Rd5 if black plays something like Qb6 isn't he safe enough and a rook up? In the final position after Bd7 white appears to win with Bh6. Nice game. |
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Jul-26-05 | | mymt: after 23. ...Kxh7 24.Rxd5 Qb6 [to avoid ...Qxd5 25.Ng5+]25.Rd1 picks up the N on a1. |
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Jul-26-05 | | ughaibu: After Rd1 25....Nb3 black would be up the exchange, it doesn't strike me as a conspicuous success for white. |
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Jul-26-05 | | mymt: if instead 23. ...Kxh7 24.Rxd5 Rd7
25.Rxd7 Qxd7 26.Qxa6 Qd1+ 27.Bf1 Nc2 28.Nxc5 [ someone with Fritz would be better - but I think <like a GM> your 23. ...Re8 is no worse than the game move tried it out seems OK to me. |
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Jul-26-05 | | mymt: <ughaibu> yes its not that flash I was just picking up on Tals reaction to that N in the corner.Being TAL he must of had something mind for this sort of thing,I will have to poke around. |
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Jul-26-05 | | mymt: maybe its 23. ...Kxh7 24.Ng5+ Kg8 25.Bxd5 [instead of 24.Rxd5 etc] |
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Jul-26-05 | | ughaibu: I still dont see white having a great deal after 25....Rd7 or Qb6 |
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Jul-26-05 | | mymt: Hard man to please 25. ...Rd7 26.Bxf7+ Rxf7 27.Rxd7 Qxd7 28.e6 |
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Jul-26-05 | | ughaibu: Missed that one (though it still leaves white down a piece for two pawns), how about Qb6? |
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Jul-26-05 | | sharpnova: <like a GM> you are wrong. if after Kxh7, Rxd5
then black has Qb6 and stands no worse than white. (a bit better imo) |
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Jul-26-05 | | sharpnova: though Ng5 is good after Kxh7, i'm just pointing out that <like a GM>'s analysis was flawed |
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Jul-27-05 | | mymt: <sharpnova> your blunt dismissal 23. ...Kxh7 24.Rxd5 Qb6 was posed by <ughaibu> in the 2nd posting,I attempted to improve Whites chances in the subsequent postings but without the resources of FRITZ or a book with analysis of this position was not able to obtain a satisfactory advantage for TALin that line.Like you I went back to 24.Ng5+ [posted above] |
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Jul-27-05 | | mymt: <ughaibu> 23. ...Kxh7 24.Ng5+ Kg8 25.Bxd5 Rd7 26.Bxf7+ Rxf7 27.Rxd7 Qxd7 28.e6 Qc8 29.exf7+ Kf8 30.Ne6+ Kxf7 31.Nxg7 Kxg7 32.Qxe7+ Kg8 33.Be5 Qf8 [...Kh7 34.Bxa1]34.Qe6+ Qf7 35.Qc8+ Qf8 [...Kh7?36.Qh3+Kg8 37.Qh8#]36.Qxa6 Nc2 37.Qxg6+ 1-0 |
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Jul-27-05 | | ughaibu: Mymt: Thanks. It looks like white has his chances, interesting, I reckon probably a Tal sacrifice rather than a "correct" (ie fully calculated) one. If black is going for 25....Rd7 rather than Qb6 maybe 24....Kh8 is the stronger retreat(?) |
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