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Mikhail Tal vs Eduard Gufeld
URS Cup (1970), Dneproptrovsk, rd 8, Aug-14
Pirc Defense: Austrian Attack. Dragon Formation (B09)  ·  1-0

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Sep-24-08  Comejen: Pure magic!!
Jan-04-15  Conrad93: 20. Nxd6!! exd6 21. Bd4!

Brilliant!

May-12-15  zanzibar: Where is this game from?

I need to explore further but it's not in <RUSbase>, <MillBase> or even <ICOfY>.

I found it here and also here:

http://alawibaba.com/chess/games/ta...

The latter only gives it as played in URS in 1970.

May-12-15
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  Retireborn: <z> It's definitely from the 1970 USSR Cup knockout in Dnepropetrovsk that you were writing about earlier.

The score here matchs that in Chessbase 2002, whereas Chess Assistant has it ending after 30.Ne1.

May-12-15
Premium Chessgames Member
  Retireborn: It's in Informator as well (annot.Kotov) and ends on 30.Ne1 there as well. They just put "USSR" though, as Informator often does.
May-13-15  zanzibar: As always helpful comments Mr. <Retire>.

The knockout tournament had slipped my mind, this was another example game from Lombardy - so I was thinking it was a one-off. If I was only a little bit sharper!

Anywho - I found the 42-move version on <ChessBase> online, which has all four <Tal // Gufeld> games under URS Cup 1970.

Plus, looking at <NIC> online for Tal w White against Gufeld there are 3 games from 1970.

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PU 11.10 B09 Mikhail Tal Eduard Gufeld Dniepropetrovsk 1970 1-0

PU 11.10 B09 Mikhail Tal Eduard Gufeld Dnipropetrovsk 1970 1-0

KF 5.4 B06 Mikhail Tal Eduard Gufeld Dniepropetrovsk 1970 ->

They don't tell you that one version of Tal's win has 42 moves (ending w 42.Ke3), while the other has 30 moves (ending with 30.Ne1).

Which is more likely correct?

It's also a little funny that the location is spelled slightly differently - given the first column suggests the same source.

I guess that <Chess Assistant> = <NIC>, more or less?

May-13-15
Premium Chessgames Member
  Retireborn: <z> The two versions of Tal's win in NiCbase (and the different spellings) just mean that the game has appeared in two different magazines or Yearbooks, evidently by two different writers. NiCbase clearly isn't checked for doubles or standardized spellings.

Which is more likely? I think the 42 move version, with Gufeld bashing out moves to get past the time control. Kotov then truncates the game for Informator, because White is a piece up and the rest is embarrassing or not interesting. Chessbase has a different source for the game.

I'm afraid it's just speculative though, as I have no idea what sources any of these people had.

Hope you are enjoying Lombardy's book, at least!

May-13-15
Premium Chessgames Member
  Retireborn: <z> (Sorry!) also the first column in NiC is just their own opening classification system ie PU11.10 = B09 in ECO.
May-13-15  zanzibar: <RB> not to start a competition - but the apology belongs to me.

I recall you telling me exactly this before. It's just so unfamiliar a notation that it takes me a few exposures to internalize.

But it's the rarely used last column where NIC gives the source reference, not the first column. I remember now.

I agree with all your points - NICbase is quite useful, but still requires a certain level of care and feeding (like all db's).

I tend to agree with your assessment on the game too, but I haven't had time to replay it yet. It really would be a somewhat remarkable that Gufeld would continue against Tal a piece down, but "clock fever" may have been responsible.

As for Lombary, it's a great selection of games. But I do have a lot of issues with the analysis... again, and as always, one has to keep eyes open, and double-check. Just a little more with this book!

Apr-16-20
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  carpovius: Brilliant but what if 19...dxc5?

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