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Mikhail Tal vs Salnikov
"Tal for Y'All" (game of the day Dec-06-2015)
Latvia (1970)
French Defense: Tarrasch. Closed Variation (C05)  ·  1-0

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Feb-20-05  schnarre: Shouldn't that be 16. Nd6# ?
Feb-20-05  Seraphina: Give us this day our daily Tal.... He always has enough pieces at the end of his combinations to mate. Incredible.
Feb-20-05  schnarre: <Seraphina> Good one!
Feb-22-05  Seraphina: Thanks Schnarre.... A good Tal puts one's soul back in order after reading the papers!
Feb-22-05  schnarre: <Seraphina> I've always loved Tal's sacrificial attacks; I never could pull off anything like that, alas!
Jan-21-06  IMJP: Didn't Tal make a blunder (13.Nc4?) in this game, after which he could have even lost?! Number 13 is always critical, never to be underestimated!? I'll give the position to some ambitious kids today, to try to find the truth.
Jan-21-06
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  offramp: I can't see how 13.Nc4 is a blunder. It looks like the best move in the position to me.
Jan-21-06  IMJP: After 13.Nc4? Bh6??, White delivered a beatiful forced checkmate.

If Black had played instead 13...Ndxe5!?, my kids could see, thi smorning, during training, only a pawn or two for a piece, not enough compensation and no attack for White, certainly no checkmate, nor a brilliant attack continuation, such as had happened in the game.

Jan-21-06  IMJP: By the way, how many people visit and comment these games, any statistics, I'd like to know?
Jan-22-06
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  offramp: <IMJP: After 13.Nc4? Bh6??, White delivered a beatiful forced checkmate.> You give 13.Nc4 a question mark, presumably meaning that you think it is a bad move. What do you think was a better move?
Jan-22-06
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  beatgiant: <offramp>
<IMJP> gave 13. Nc4 Ndxe5 and the kids in his chess class couldn't find the win.

It might continue 13. Nc4 Ndxe5 14. dxe5 Kd7 15. 0-0 Kc7 16. Nd6, etc. with a continuing speculative attack for a piece.

Jan-22-06
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  offramp: <beatgiant>, <IMJP> said <IMJP: Didn't Tal make a blunder (13.Nc4?) in this game..?>; I don't think 13.Nc4 is a blunder. I was wondering what move he thought was better than 13.Nc4.
Jan-22-06  RankAndFile: 13.Nc4 is not a blunder. In fact this knight is immune from capture because of 14.Bxg5+! threats.<beatgiant> <It might continue 13. Nc4 Ndxe5 14. dxe5 Kd7 15. 0-0 Kc7 16. Nd6, etc. with a continuing speculative attack for a piece.> This continuation is flawed because if 13...Ndxe5? 14. Bxg5+! ...Kd7 15.Nxe5+!...Nxe5 16.d4xe5. Black is now down a whole piece(knight), black's queen is still under attack by the bishop, black's kingside is destroyed and the king still dosen't have a safe haven. For black there simply was no reason to continue.
Jan-22-06  IMJP: The point is that this is no evergreen game, like some (or many, and not only in this forum) had thought. There are many games of lower level players where they sacked more pieces than Tal and got no special credit for it.

It is a game on a solid simoultaneus level (master vs beginner) and it only additionaly proves how chess has developed, compared to, for example 1970. None (or few, although probably none) of the chessgames.com members would have given Tal the opportunity to checkmate, unlike the beginner (in this game) 36 years ago.

As for the opening analysis, there are other games played in this "variation", which I must see first, if I, or the kids, find the time . Probably other grandmasters "copycats", got "infected" by Tal's win, if it was made public at the time, and continued developing theory in this dubious, for both, variation.

It's also pretty dubious that Black's name is NN, I read in other groups (About Chess) that some actually know who is Black, I forgot the surname now, Salinikov or something.

Tal had some magic around him.

I made some "after midnight errors" when posting,not of critical nature. A blunder should always be commented with a ??, not a ?. ? is simply a weak move. Bh6, played by Black, was a blunder. So, where did White make a mistake, if it were not 13.Nc4?

Jan-22-06  IMJP: By the way, just saw this "Blow the Whistle". Reminds me of Singapore, where people are "encouraged" every day to spy on their neighbors and report any mischevous behaviour to the police. I didn't stay long enough to find out if this approach helps people become more friendly, or just encourages envy and hate.
Jan-22-06  ughaibu: Why single out Singapore when 'neighbourhood watch' schemes exist in plenty of countries?
Jan-22-06  IMJP: There was a suggestion some two decades ago, to add as a commentary symbol a small beer bottle, which would indicate a player came "stoned" to his chess game, or started drinking alchohol during the game. This symbol would tell a lot. It was not accepted by publishing companies. I played two games in my life with "stoned" players. It is simply impossible to comment, as an "outsider", well on games that provide "only" the moves. We can only make "educated guesses".
Jan-22-06  IMJP: Because in Singapore I saw advertisements on TV, among other media, encouraging for this. I haven't seen this (with my own eyes) in other countries I visited. Singapore is the closest country to "utopia", I have seen, which failed to exist today in the newest episode of the "Charmed Ones" I watched.
Jan-22-06  IMJP: Back to Tal.

Tal had one "advantage" in all of his games, against most of his opponents, that many fail to mention. It was allowed smoking.

Fortunately, the World Chess Federation banned smoking on chess tournaments, and this was adopted by all member federations.

I had personal complaints from many players, ranging from beginner to grandmaster, that I created such clouds of smoke over the board (done mostly in stressful game situations), that they couldn't neither breathe nor concentrate. The clouds didn't bother me, "naturally".

Now chess life is much better with the cleaner air everywhere.

Jan-22-06  whatthefat: <RankAndFile>
At the end of your continuation, it is White who is down a piece, not black. I'd suggest 15.dxe5!? as a possible improvement, but again I'd be suprised if black isn't fine after 15...Be7 or even 15...Ne7.

<IMJP>
In any case, I don't see that the move 13.Nc4 can at all be considered an error, as all other moves are losing. In fact it's white's only practical chance. If the combination is unsound then the annotation should reflect that by instead criticising the earlier sacrifices.

Jan-22-06
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  beatgiant: <RankAndFile>
<This continuation is flawed because if 13...Ndxe5? 14. Bxg5+! ...Kd7 15.Nxe5+!...Nxe5 16.d4xe5. Black is now down a whole piece(knight)>

Actually Black started out two pieces up, so in your line, 13...Ndxe5 14. Bxg5+ Kd7 15. Nxe5+ Nxe5 16. dxe5 Bb4+, followed by 17...Qg8 and White has only two pawns for a piece. That is probably what <IMJK>'s students found.

Jan-22-06  ughaibu: IMJP: Television campaigns of that nature have been aired in the UK. I've never paid much attention elsewhere but would be surprised if this were limited to these two countries.
Jan-23-06
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  beatgiant: In the line I posted above, 13. Nc4 Ndxe5 14. dxe5 Kd7 15. 0-0 Kc7 16. Nd6, I missed Black's reply in the end 16...Bxd6! 17. exd6+ Qxd6 18. Qg7+ <Bd7> (connecting the rooks), so White gets nothing here too.
Jan-23-06
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  offramp: What I am puzzled at are the posts of <IMJP>; his first one says:

<IMJP: Didn't Tal make a blunder (13.Nc4?) in this game>

I asked him a couple of times whar move he thought was better than 13.Nc4 in that position.

He didn't answer, but he has talked about the variation used in this game. He says that,

"<there are other games played in this "variation", which I must see first, if I, or the kids, find the time . Probably other grandmasters "copycats", got "infected" by Tal's win, if it was made public at the time, and continued developing theory in this dubious, for both, variation...>

I don't remember reading such a load of drivel ever in my entire life. Some people don't know when to say 'fair enough, I have made a massive blunder myself - let's carry on."

Jan-24-06  whatthefat: <I don't remember reading such a load of drivel ever in my entire life. Some people don't know when to say 'fair enough, I have made a massive blunder myself - let's carry on.">

I don't think I've laughed so hard all day.

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