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De Wind vs Jan Timman
"Gone with De Wind" (game of the day Feb-22-2006)
The Hague ch-jr (1965), The Hague NED, rd 5
Benoni Defense: King Pawn lines (A65)  ·  0-1



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Feb-22-06  kellmano: <psmith> the threat is to have almost all of your pieces back on their starting squares!
Feb-22-06  psmith: <kellmano> Sorry, my humor detector was not turned on.
Feb-22-06  EmperorAtahualpa: What a slaughtering!

I don't like White's pawn formation from the start, but I'm just not a Benoni fan I guess. and I think it's also a mistake that White fianchettoed the bishop on g2.

Ever since it moved to g2 it was just sitting there, doing nothing! Effictively, White was playing with one minor piece down.

By the way, I'm Dutch and I can confirm that "de Wind" really does mean "the wind". :) Nice pun for today's GOTD!

Feb-22-06  backyard pawn: White's light-squared bishop was in a safe place when the end came. :< )
Feb-22-06  McCool: What's wrong with 15. ♘xc4?
Feb-22-06  psmith: <McCool> 15. Nxc4 Nc5 16. Qb4 Ng4 17. Re1 a5 18. Qb5 Ne5 looks good for Black.
Feb-22-06  Kola: Nice pun!
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  Gregor Samsa Mendel: I hear that originally considered the name "Breaking De Wind" but abandoned it as being in poor taste. Good decision.
Feb-22-06  JohnBoy: The white fianchetto against the Benoni is not bad. Check out P Nikolic vs DeFirmian, 2003 - where white does not advance the e pawn. It looks like giving black access to the a6-f1 diagonal costs white too much.
Feb-22-06  BadTemper: If you think "Breaking De Wind" is in bad taste, then I'm not sure how you manage to deal with over the board rude and dirty chess players. Are we so unintelligent from chess we can't enjoy a mild joke?
Feb-22-06  RookFile: 13. Qa4 was an awful move.
Feb-22-06  dakgootje: <By the way, I'm Dutch and I can confirm that "de Wind" really does mean "the wind". :) > Ahhhhhh i always thought the correct translation of 'de wind' to english was something like 'the expression someone shows when hes eating cabbage in a limegreen sauce with some yak-milk on the south site of the Mt Everest noticing that it wasnt yak milk, but wildebeast milk instead while reading a book titeld <why the Tibetans eat yak meat, drink yak milk, make yak hair tents, use yak hair ropes and yak hide bags, and even burn yak dungs>' ;-)

ps: pity they removed the comments on the Greco vs NN, 1620 page

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  alexmagnus: <dakgootje> in of of dialects of spanish there is a word (can't remember it's exact pronounciation), which can't be translated shorter than "to look at each other with hope, that the opposite side suggests to do something which both sides are not willing to do". (source: Guinness book of records 1991)
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  alexmagnus: one of dialects*
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  alexmagnus: or even"... which both sides need but are not willing to do"
Feb-22-06  dakgootje: <to look at each other with hope, that the opposite side suggests to do something which both sides are not willing to do> *looks...reads...reads again...thinks about it...reads it again...thinks ever harder about it....doesnt understand and leaves it that way* =P
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  alexmagnus: hehe but the word exists:-)
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  kevin86: After a winter season of battling strong winds-I'm glad to see at least here that DeWind finally takes hislumps,lol.

White's pieces are sorry indeed;One bishop is behind three stone walls of his own making-the other is there to shine his light upon...nothing. The rook is under fire but cannot move on penaltyof capture or exile.

Feb-22-06  zhentil: <emperoratahulpa> A number of grandmasters who have made a career out of playing the Fianchetto Variation against the Benoni would, I'm sure, take issue with your simplistic indictment. Ask Viktor Korchnoi if he thinks fianchettoing against the Benoni is a mistake.
Feb-22-06  Kelvieto: A similar pawn formation appeared in the Topalov Radjabov game today
Feb-22-06  EmperorAtahualpa: <A number of grandmasters who have made a career out of playing the Fianchetto Variation against the Benoni would, I'm sure, take issue with your simplistic indictment. Ask Viktor Korchnoi if he thinks fianchettoing against the Benoni is a mistake.>

<zhentil> Thanks for your *cough* constructive *cough* feedback.

I would be happy to take you up on your advice to contact Korchnoi about fianchettoing against the Benoni, but alas, I'm only a novice player and have no connections with the chess elite. But since you are such a hotshot in the chess-world (at least you like to come across that way), why don't you contact Korchnoi for me? Thanks in advance.

But let me set the right example and try to deal constructively from now on with your reply.

Korchnoi might or might not have been more efficient in dealing with the Benoni by fianchettoing the bishop, I simply don't know enough about him to say.

But what I think is definitely true is that either it didn't occur to White to change his pawn structure to activate his bishop or to bring his bishop into the game in any other way. The other possibility is that it DID occur to White his bishop was out of action, but he was simply unable to activate it.

It might be "simplistic", but I truly believe, whatever White was thinking, that one of the main reasons why White lost this game is because of the badly positioned bishop. If you can prove me wrong, I would be glad to hear it from you, and preferrably I would like to see some analysis from you to back it up. Thanks.

Feb-23-06  JohnBoy: <Emperor> - I give a link above to a nice win by white with g3 against the benoni - against a player Soltis lists as one of the greatest practitioners of the black side of the benoni.
Feb-23-06  RookFile: It's funny that you guys keep focusing
on the fianchetto. I don't see that as nearly a big a deal in this game as 13. Qa4 followed by 16. Qd1.
Jan-17-09  WhiteRook48: De Wind got blown away.
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  GrahamClayton: <psmith>
15. ♘xc4 ♘c5 16. ♕b4 ♘g4 17. ♖e1 a5 18. ♕b5 ♘e5 looks good for Black.

Certainly does. The threat is 19...♗xc4 winning a piece, and 19. b3 ♘xc4 20. bxc4 ♗xc3 wins a piece as well as forking both White rooks.

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