chessgames.com
Members · Prefs · Laboratory · Collections · Openings · Endgames · Sacrifices · History · Search Kibitzing · Kibitzer's Café · Chessforums · Tournament Index · Players · Kibitzing
Yasser Seirawan vs Jan Timman
Montpellier Candidates (1985), Montpellier FRA, rd 12, Oct-27
English Opening: Symmetrical. Symmetrical Variation (A36)  ·  0-1

ANALYSIS [x]

FEN COPIED

explore this opening
find similar games 33 more Seirawan/Timman games
PGN: download | view | print Help: general | java-troubleshooting

TIP: The Olga viewer allows you to get computer analysis by clicking the "ENGINE" link on the lower right.

PGN Viewer:  What is this?
For help with this chess viewer, please see the Olga Chess Viewer Quickstart Guide.
PREMIUM MEMBERS CAN REQUEST COMPUTER ANALYSIS [more info]

Kibitzer's Corner
Dec-27-07  sitzkrieg: Can someone tell me if the sac of the pawns is correct?
Dec-27-07  Riverbeast: Looked correct to me, Seirawan got pummeled.
Dec-27-07  sitzkrieg: Nf3 blockes a diagonal for the retreat of the queen. Im not sure. I d like to see this game annotated.

Dec-27-07  Riverbeast: < Nf3 blockes a diagonal for the retreat of the queen.>

How else is white going to develop?

13. e3 seems to weaken the light squares to a horrible degree.

He can try to develop with h4 and Nh3, but black seems to have a good reply to that one also: 13. h4 h6 14. Nh3 g5! keeps him tied up.

And if white tries 13. b5, then 13...Ra8 14. Qb7 Bf5 (threatening Be4 winning the queen)

It looked foolhardy for Seirawan to give up his light square bishop, take all those pawns, and put his queen offside. The whole idea breaks about three principles of chess (though Seirwawn probably thought he could defend)

Dec-27-07  Everett: Perhaps Yasser should not have gone for the a-pawn and rather retreated to g2. This leaves his king with a little better protection. A possible plan is e2, Ne2 and d4 or simply Nf3 followed by 0-0. Even the aggressive e4, f4, Nf3 seems plausible, especially if black tries to return the bishop to f5.
Dec-27-07  sitzkrieg: yes, Qg2 seems good too. difficult..difficult..:d
Jul-28-13  Everett: Seems Seirawan still has some pull after <13.Bh6>, inconveniencing Blacks development and delaying his own placement of the N on g1.

There may still be some undiscovered land after 7.Qa4.

Jul-29-13
Premium Chessgames Member
  beatgiant: <Everett>
After 13. Bh6, doesn't <13...Ng4> simply push the Bishop right back?
Jul-29-13  Everett: < beatgiant: <Everett> After 13. Bh6, doesn't <13...Ng4> simply push the Bishop right back?>

I was thinking more along the lines of <13.Bh6 Ng4 14.Bg7 Rg8 15.h3!?> when it seems Black is forced to play <15..Nxf2 16.Kxf2 Rxg7 17.Nf3> and though the position is messy, I think White has reason to be hopeful with creating some pressure on the Q-side. In fact, his development is better <considering the rooks>, despite the awkward placement of his Q.

I think this line may make the pawn sac questionable. Thoughts?

Aug-11-13
Premium Chessgames Member
  beatgiant: <Everett>
Interesting. If 13. Bh6 Ng4 14. Bg7 Rg8 15. h3 Nxf2 16. Kxf2 Rxg7 17. Nf3 Ra8 18. Qb7 Rxa3 winning back the material and leaving White's pawn structure fractured, but true enough White has better development.

To avoid that problem, Black might reply to 13. Bh6 with an immediate <13...Ra8> winning back one of the pawns while keeping active pieces. I think Black still has good play for a pawn.

Aug-11-13  Everett: <beatgiant> I see what you are saying, but this Bh6 move seems to be really annoying for Black. After your second suggestion <13.Bh6 Ra8 14.Qb7 Rxa3 15.Bg7 Rg8 16.Bxf6 exf6> White can open the b-file when he wants, complete his development, and have a safer K. His rooks will be the first to occupy the b- and d-files.

After <13. Bh6 Ng4 14. Bg7 Rg8 15. h3 Nxf2 16. Kxf2 Rxg7 17. Nf3 Ra8 18. Qb7 Rxa3> comes the opening of the b-file <19.bxc5> and Black cannot capture back because he is going to get murdered on the d-file.

This is all quite ugly, though.

NOTE: Create an account today to post replies and access other powerful features which are available only to registered users. Becoming a member is free, anonymous, and takes less than 1 minute! If you already have a username, then simply login login under your username now to join the discussion.

Please observe our posting guidelines:

  1. No obscene, racist, sexist, or profane language.
  2. No spamming, advertising, duplicate, or gibberish posts.
  3. No vitriolic or systematic personal attacks against other members.
  4. Nothing in violation of United States law.
  5. No cyberstalking or malicious posting of negative or private information (doxing/doxxing) of members.
  6. No trolling.
  7. The use of "sock puppet" accounts to circumvent disciplinary action taken by moderators, create a false impression of consensus or support, or stage conversations, is prohibited.

Please try to maintain a semblance of civility at all times.

Blow the Whistle

See something that violates our rules? Blow the whistle and inform a moderator.


NOTE: Please keep all discussion on-topic. This forum is for this specific game only. To discuss chess or this site in general, visit the Kibitzer's Café.

Messages posted by Chessgames members do not necessarily represent the views of Chessgames.com, its employees, or sponsors.
All moderator actions taken are ultimately at the sole discretion of the administration.

This game is type: CLASSICAL. Please report incorrect or missing information by submitting a correction slip to help us improve the quality of our content.

Featured in the Following Game Collections[what is this?]
A36 English: Symmetrical System [Black]
by chess.master
Montpellier Candidates 1985
by Benzol

Home | About | Login | Logout | F.A.Q. | Profile | Preferences | Premium Membership | Kibitzer's Café | Biographer's Bistro | New Kibitzing | Chessforums | Tournament Index | Player Directory | Notable Games | World Chess Championships | Opening Explorer | Guess the Move | Game Collections | ChessBookie Game | Chessgames Challenge | Store | Privacy Notice | Contact Us

Copyright 2001-2021, Chessgames Services LLC