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Chess Genius (Computer) vs Jan Timman
AEGON Simul (1997) (exhibition), The Hague NED, Apr-16
Nimzo-Indian Defense: Three Knights Variation (E21)  ·  1-0



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Mar-18-04  square dance: genius vs. timman...hmm thats funny, i dont remember playing timman. ;)
Mar-18-04  Benjamin Lau: hahahaha, that was horrible. ;)
Nov-23-04  rndapology: So horrible its hilarious!
Nov-23-04  apple head: Yeah Yeah, but who said chessmaster or crafty is good?? I don't think crafty is good. Neither Chessmaster. Who even said Jan Timman was good? I bet my Deep Fritz 8.0 could wipe it off the face of the earth no problem at all (crafty, Genius, and Timman) Anand would be a bit harder probably split equal :)
Nov-23-04  Dudley: <applehead> Maybe you can have your Fritz 8 wired into your applehead. Then you can beat Jan Timman.
Nov-23-04  FrenchKnight: How could it be possible? Rxg7 is not even a trick...Are the games between GM and computers a swindle?
Nov-23-04  mahmoudkubba: What is the end of this game anyhow??? any possibilities??
Nov-23-04  BadTemper: Doesn't take a genius to solve this one.
Nov-23-04  greystar69: What kind of dumb move was 26. Ra2??

<mahmoudkubba> after 44...Kxg7 is followed by Rxf6, leading to material loss or mate for Timman.

Nov-23-04  Marco65: I solved this, but for sure I wouldn't have resigned at that point, but of course my opponents don't normally play like computers!

Timman must have seen 44.Rxg7+ Kxg7 45.Rxf6 Qe5 46.Qd7+ Re7 47.Qg4+ Kh7 48.Qg6+ Kh8 49.Rf8#

A weeker player as White might have been tempted to enter the endgame with

44.Rxg7+ Kxg7 45.Rxf6 Qe5 46.Qxe5?? Rxe5 47.Rxa6 Rxc5! 48.Rd6 [48.Ra1?? d2 49.Kf2 Rc1 ] e3! 49.g4 [49.h3 Rc1+ 50.Kh2 d2 51.g4 d1=Q 52.Rxd1 Rxd1 White has to give the Bishop as well to stop the e pawn] Rc1+ 50.Kg2 d2 51.Kf3 d1=Q 52.Rxd1 Rxd1 53.Kxe3 = that endgame should be a draw.

Nov-23-04  thorndeux: isn't the 'dumb move' 27.dxe5 rather than 26.Ra2? sure, the pawn d4 is lost but white's pawn doesn't run away and there is a new open line for black. maybe if white plays 27.Kh8 he can answer exd4 with Qe3 or something like that? what do people think?
Nov-23-04  ellipotrix: No Way <Marco65> that is just soft. Black may play like that to move 45...♕e5 but then white can play 46. ♕d7+ ♖e7 47.♕g4+ then 47..♔h8. white mates with 48. ♖xh6# or 47..♔h7 48. ♕g6. and then its all over bar the shouting.
Nov-23-04  Marco65: What do you mean <ellipotrix>? That was exactly my line, do you mean you consider that so easy that you expect anybody to resign as Timman did?
Nov-23-04  pawntificator: Heh, move 26 was a trap the computer laid for poor Timman. Oh, dang, greystar already pointed that out. Well at least Timman was able to hold on tenaciously. I wonder if the game of the day has any relation to the quote of the day. <Greystar,> how about a game on gameknot?
Nov-23-04  mahmoudkubba: <greystar69 and Marco65>: that was my point from the question, a weaker player may exist so why Timman resigned so early. It is a valuable question as part as I think???
Nov-23-04  Dudley: Computers of this strength don't make mistakes in tactical positions-you could almost say if the computer made the sac you may as well resign. In this case, you can believe the opponent.
Nov-23-04  Stonewaller2: <Marco65> Of course after 47. ... ♔h8 49. ♖f8+ ♔h7 50. ♕g8#. <ellipotrix>, after 47. ... ♔h8 48. ♖xh6+ ♖h7 50. ♗f6+ ♕xf6 51. ♖xf6, no?

But what's the line after 44. ... ♔h5, I'm thinking 45. ♖xf6 winning Black's ♘ and ♗, but couldn't those connected passers still spell trouble?

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  kevin86: It is a simple soultion,but it has complicated results-it is in fact an exchange sac-to spur an attack.
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  kevin86: Did someone put a sign on the computer saying:Geinyus at werk?
Nov-23-04  simsan: <Stonewaller2>: After 44 ... ♔h5 45. ♕xf6 and ... 45... ♕g4 46.♖xg4 ♔xg4 47.h3+ ♔h5 48.g4#
45... ♕xf6 46.♗xf6 xxxx 47.g4#
45... ♖g8 46.♖f5 ♕xf5 47.♕xf5 ♔xh4 48.g3# [♕g4#]
45... d2 46.Rg5 [hxg5 47.Qxg5#] Kxh4 47. Rf4+ Qg4 48.Rfxg4#
Nov-23-04  Whitehat1963: I actually saw this one pretty quickly. Does that make me a Genius, too??
Nov-23-04  Whitehat1963: O.K., don't actually answer that!
Nov-23-04  Nickisimo: I think the whole "genius" joke has been played out.
Nov-24-04  iron maiden: Doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that out.
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  patzer2: Although the puzzle solution 44. Rxg7+! begins with a strong deflection move, I'm adding this one to my "discovered check" collection because the discovered check threat after 44...Kxg7 45. Rxf6! is decisive.
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